New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[northwest iowa panther]

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Just met with our insurance agent. He is a Creighton booster, son played there, season ticket holder and Jay Scholarship Club member.

He is not happy with the change in conferences. He is not sure what it is going to cost for the switch, but they (he) has been forewarned of the increase in season ticket prices and the increase in annual contributions to the scholarship club. He is certain that he and family will be unable to attend the Big East Tournament and can't believe that the added exposure on the East coast will outweigh the added cost of transporting nonrevnue teams to the Eastern time zone.

He thinks that he is not alone in his concerns and is puzzled that the average Creighton fan was not consulted more.

He is one that thought the Jays should have stayed where they were.

[JayJ79]

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Do any schools really consult their average fans in these matters?
I could see having someone from the athletics department perhaps "testing the water" of fan opinion by monitoring message boards, sports talk radio, and the like. But I'm not sure any actual "consulting" really takes place.

especially since it seems like these things happen fairly quickly.

[panther-state]

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Do any schools really consult their average fans in these matters?
I could see having someone from the athletics department perhaps "testing the water" of fan opinion by monitoring message boards, sports talk radio, and the like. But I'm not sure any actual "consulting" really takes place.

especially when money is the only thing that matters.

Fixed that for you...

[06panther10]

Hartzel was on OPR tonight talking about CU. He mentioned his friendships with Rasmussen (AD) and Mac, and he was led to believe this decision was not made by the athletic department, rather it was made from church leaders, presidents, and other higher ups that just simply desired to be associated with other catholic institutions, and that the AD was not necessarily 100% on board with this.

[run&blade]

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I live here, and you're incorrect. 1) the demographics and TV market alone dictate you want a presence here, which the MVC doesn't currently have. 2) showing the games on WGN isn't realistic to begin with, but the whole league would benefit from recruiting avenues this opens, and the team(s) added would get more exposure due to a higher level of competition, and games against schools with an alumni following here (ISU, BU, SIU). 3) Chicago is an absolutely sports-crazed town, college or pro.

I have an obvious bias, but would also be perfectly happy if a solid basketball program were added. Belmont, Murray State, Valpo...the MVC is a step up for any of them. A Chicago add would be more about TV market exposure and revenue, although Loyola has the resources and alumni to back up Porter Moser if he gets hot/lucky with a couple of recruits and all of a sudden they're pretty good.

looking at the ncaa website loyola average 2200 for each home game in 2012 and illinois chicago averaged 2900.

My god i had no idea a city of several million was packing them in like this. Any chance they are building new arenas to hold the excepted crowds once they join the valley and drake rolls into town?

North Dakota St. is looking better all the time.

[JayJ79]

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right, because UNI fans really have room to talk when it comes to basketball attendance

[GoPanthers85]

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right, because UNI fans really have room to talk when it comes to basketball attendance

UNI also isn't in a metro area of 3+ million people!

[SteinPizza]

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looking at the ncaa website loyola average 2200 for each home game in 2012 and illinois chicago averaged 2900.

My god i had no idea a city of several million was packing them in like this. Any chance they are building new arenas to hold the excepted crowds once they join the valley and drake rolls into town?

North Dakota St. is looking better all the time.

I mentinoned above that a Chicago add is all about demographics, TV, ad revenue, etc. Recruiting too. It is a sports crazed town, just not to the presently low level of the Horizon League. Will that change if either UIC or Loyola join the MVC? Maybe, maybe not. It will if they're Top 25 ranked, part of the tourney, etc. What they need is for more of their alumni and students to show up (sound familiar?). Their odds are far better doing that in the MVC than in the Horizon.

The only thing North Dakota State looks better to is a bass fisherman, oil worker, American Indian casino owner, or Jerry Lundegaard.

[run&blade]

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I would rather have the valley expand into a place that already has support. Instead of going into a pro sports town with a pipe dream of people giving a crap about uic or loyola because the joined the valley. Ndsu packed the metrodome a few years ago when they made the ncaa. No way would loyola or uic ever get that much support.

They woild never top blackhawks bears or bulls for attention during basketball season. Ndsu is the only show in town and that is why they kick butt in football.

[Newsbreaker]

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I would rather have the valley expand into a place that already has support. Instead of going into a pro sports town with a pipe dream of people giving a crap about uic or loyola because the joined the valley. Ndsu packed the metrodome a few years ago when they made the ncaa. No way would loyola or uic ever get that much support.

They woild never top blackhawks bears or bulls for attention during basketball season. Ndsu is the only show in town and that is why they kick butt in football.

Just understand that you're valuing things that many others, and especially the league, does not.

[run&blade]

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Just understand that you're valuing things that many others, and especially the league, does not.

Not sure what the league values. Selling seats in st. Louis? ndsu would buy double what uic and loyola would buy combined. They will need some buyers with creighton fans no longer coming.

[Born-a-Panther]

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Hartzel was on OPR tonight talking about CU. He mentioned his friendships with Rasmussen (AD) and Mac, and he was led to believe this decision was not made by the athletic department, rather it was made from church leaders, presidents, and other higher ups that just simply desired to be associated with other catholic institutions, and that the AD was not necessarily 100% on board with this.

I also heard that neither the AD nor Mac wanted to make this move.

[TH1974]

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Not sure what the league values. Selling seats in st. Louis? ndsu would buy double what uic and loyola would buy combined. They will need some buyers with creighton fans no longer coming.

They're worried about more than one week per year.

[williebat]

I also heard that neither the AD nor Mac wanted to make this move.

I would not trust what I here about Mac. He follows the almighty dollar like a dog with a bone.

[TH1974]

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I would not trust what I here about Mac. He follows the almighty dollar like a dog with a bone.

Yeah, he's the worst. Don't believe what people who are connected know. Stick with your preconceived notions.