New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[Purple Reign]

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That, and I also don't want to be "all the other schools in the country". I want and expect, with the tradition and success we have, to be among the best every year. I'm not expecting the big trophy every year, but we should at least be in the hunt for it.

I assume you contribute to the PSC. If so, Thank You.


PR

[95UNIGRAD]

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I assume you contribute to the PSC. If so, Thank You.


PR

Yep. Don't anyone get me wrong - I'm not expecting multiple trophies or a title every year; just want us to be competitive and in the thick of the race - our program should expect that with the success we've had the past 20 years or so.

[SubGod22]

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The fact that mvc is so afraid of ndsu dominating in basketball and other sports as well shows the insecurity of the mvc schools

My only response to this....

[achrist70]

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Lakes doesn't truly understand a situation like this, he can only see that the Bizon are in the same football conference with UNI, MSU, ISUB, ISUR and SIU and assumes that means that they sound have the first invite into the Valley, he doesn't understand that the Valley Presidents especially the ones at Bradley, Wichita, Drake, and Evansville don't care at all about their football success, and that going to Fargo in April to play baseball and softball isn't all that appealing. To go along with the fact that the Valley doesn't have any AG schools so there isn't a strong connection academically. Needing 7 votes and having 4 of the 9 schools with no connection to NDSU it won't happen unless 6 or 7 schools turn down the Valley and I don't see that happening.

There is very little fear, I mean every team in the Valley this year played at least one final 4 opponent, UNI and Illinois State played 2.

[Khan4Cats]

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I don't like his delivery, either, BC, but there's nothing in those three statements that is false.

Football DOES bring more out of towners than other sports, and I'm one of them.

We HAVE only won three tourney games (hopefully more in the near future, and we've come a long way, baby)

We have trouble drawing for anybody but Creighton, WSU, and Iowa/ISU right now; and two of those games have either ceased to exist or probably will cease to exist (CU) next year. If we do backslide at all or don't improve, it will be tough to get McLeod more than half full.

I'm an eternal optimist, but sorry, he's right on all these points.

We have won 3 tourney games in 9 tries ALWAYS as the underdog.

How many games have we won in the football play-offs vs what we have played when we are the underdog? How about our home (favorite) record?

Here it is:
As the Home team we are 15-5, 75% winning percentage when we have been favored.

As a road team we are 4-10, 28% winning percentage when we are the underdogs, two of those came in 2005.

We also lost our only neutral game with the 2005 title game, though we got the dark uniforms and I don't remember if we were favored or not.

Compared that to basketball when we ALWAYS been the underdog as far as seeding, but have a 33% winning percentage.

33% to 28%. Not a huge difference between the two, but our basketball 'success' is slightly ahead of our football success.

We could also look at NCAA $$ brought in by each program, but that won't even be close enough to be fair.

[Khan4Cats]

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Football brings more out of towners to campus than all the other sports combine and has made countless trips to the playoffs.

Basketball has won a total of three ncaa tournament games in its history.

Basketball will not draw flies if they dont make it to the tournament in the next two years.

Yep, the Dome was absolutely PACKED for every game last year. And that last play-off game vs Wofford? Standing room only if I recall, but I could be a little foggy on that.

[ubuntuCAT]

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Yep, the Dome was absolutely PACKED for every game last year. And that last play-off game vs Wofford? Standing room only if I recall, but I could be a little foggy on that.

And still brought more out of town fans. Our basketball attendance is horrible. We didn't even consistently sell out the sweet 16 year. Did we average half capacity this treat?

[BCPanther]

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And still brought more out of town fans. Our basketball attendance is horrible. We didn't even consistently sell out the sweet 16 year. Did we average half capacity this treat?

The Sweet 16 year was packed for all of January and February.

The smallest crowd was 4500 and that was on New Years Day night against a terrible Evansville team. There was only one other crowd of less than 5500 all Valley season with 3 crowds of over 7000.

Apples to Oranges anyway. Football is 5 dates per year. Basketball is 18 with a ton on Tuesday and Wednesday nights...

[achrist70]

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For our 9 NCAA games I would say that we were underdogs in 7 of them I would say that the UNLV game was a toss up or we were slightly favored and 8/9 game there isn't truly a favorite, and I would say that Michigan St. game most of the "experts" were picking us.

For football we have been upset a few times Lehigh being the biggest but I would also say a game like Delaware when you look at it now isn't all that big of an upset, I still think if we continue to give C-Lew the ball like we did in the 1st half we win the game but that's a different topic.

Plus it isn't really far to compare basketball attendance to football attendance, in my opinion both were terrible, I would bet if you compare how full on average the McLeod and the Dome were it would be very close. I don't like to make the argument of Football bringing in more people because on average there were 13,000 people. Well 13,000X5 is 65,000 people, if the basketball team brings in an average of around 4,000 then both sports are bring the same number of people to the Campus and Cedar Valley.

[95UNIGRAD]

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We have won 3 tourney games in 9 tries ALWAYS as the underdog.

How many games have we won in the football play-offs vs what we have played when we are the underdog? How about our home (favorite) record?

Here it is:
As the Home team we are 15-5, 75% winning percentage when we have been favored.

As a road team we are 4-10, 28% winning percentage when we are the underdogs, two of those came in 2005.

We also lost our only neutral game with the 2005 title game, though we got the dark uniforms and I don't remember if we were favored or not.

Compared that to basketball when we ALWAYS been the underdog as far as seeding, but have a 33% winning percentage.

33% to 28%. Not a huge difference between the two, but our basketball 'success' is slightly ahead of our football success.

We could also look at NCAA $$ brought in by each program, but that won't even be close enough to be fair.

You're debating with the wrong guy, Khan. I prefer watching the basketball team to the football team. I just pointed out that run & blade (for once in a blue moon) was being truthful.

[Khan4Cats]

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You're debating with the wrong guy, Khan. I prefer watching the basketball team to the football team. I just pointed out that run & blade (for once in a blue moon) was being truthful.

Just trying to put in some information and didn't search back a page for the original quote until after I had posted.

[95UNIGRAD]

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The Sweet 16 year was packed for all of January and February.

The smallest crowd was 4500 and that was on New Years Day night against a terrible Evansville team. There was only one other crowd of less than 5500 all Valley season with 3 crowds of over 7000.

Apples to Oranges anyway. Football is 5 dates per year. Basketball is 18 with a ton on Tuesday and Wednesday nights...

That's an excellent point for anyone making the football/basketball argument.

My wife and I have been season ticket holders for a while for Fball and only occasionally see basketball, mostly because of the time commitment and convenience of coming from out of town on weeknights vs. saturday nights. And the $100 for each season ticket for football is a huge factor too - bball at $20 a pop for a family of 4 for a two-hour event on a weeknight just doesn't cut it for my family. It's unfortunate, because everyone in my family, down to my two teenage daughters enjoy McLeod and the bball team far more as an event, especially when the place is full/close to full.

[Khan4Cats]

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The Sweet 16 year was packed for all of January and February.

The smallest crowd was 4500 and that was on New Years Day night against a terrible Evansville team. There was only one other crowd of less than 5500 all Valley season with 3 crowds of over 7000.

Apples to Oranges anyway. Football is 5 dates per year. Basketball is 18 with a ton on Tuesday and Wednesday nights...

Exactly. This past year, basketball averaged 4249 for 60.5% capacity, football averaged 11,905 for 72.9% capacity. Neither is great, but football has all games on weekends and people can come and tailgate early outside while most basketball games are weeknights in the middle of winter. Plus football always has two weekends where the University (not just the Athletic Department) actively encourages people to come to campus.

[95UNIGRAD]

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Just trying to put in some information and didn't search back a page for the original quote until after I had posted.

No problem...it was very good information - I wasn't aware of those facts/figures before you posted them

[95UNIGRAD]

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Lakes doesn't truly understand a situation like this, he can only see that the Bizon are in the same football conference with UNI, MSU, ISUB, ISUR and SIU and assumes that means that they sound have the first invite into the Valley, he doesn't understand that the Valley Presidents especially the ones at Bradley, Wichita, Drake, and Evansville don't care at all about their football success, and that going to Fargo in April to play baseball and softball isn't all that appealing. To go along with the fact that the Valley doesn't have any AG schools so there isn't a strong connection academically. Needing 7 votes and having 4 of the 9 schools with no connection to NDSU it won't happen unless 6 or 7 schools turn down the Valley and I don't see that happening.

There is very little fear, I mean every team in the Valley this year played at least one final 4 opponent, UNI and Illinois State played 2.

Yeah, his belief that FCS football success in a conference named "Missouri Valley" translates to attractiveness to the conference and success in every other sport in the other Missouri Valley is delusional and pretty annoying. It shows a complete lack of understanding of intercollegiate athletics. You explained it well.

As to your last sentence - I wish Louisville and WSU had been on opposite sides of the bracket this year...wouldn't that have been something to see TWO teams UNI played (and played competitively against) battle each other for the crown?