New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[06panther10]

Point being, The Valley would rather add UNI twice than any Dakota once.

[95UNIGRAD]

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Point being, The Valley would rather add UNI twice than any Dakota once.

Kaboom!

[UNIAlum95]

Point being, The Valley would rather add UNI twice than any Dakota once.

Well played sir.

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[UNIdad]

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If that's the case why would they not try for the 2nd round of the C7/new Big East, like Saint Louis for example?

Good question. I've been wondering this myself. Maybe it has been discussion on the Creighton site. It seems logical that Loyola would have been part of that conversation at some level.

[UNIdad]

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I agree with jnutt on these two, both would have still put us in bigger markets that we are not currently, and I don't really think that Loyola puts us in Chicago more than we are. Also both of these schools have sports that are more in synced with Valley sports (Loyola doesn't have baseball, and they have men's volleyball, what is up with that?) and finally I think while Loyola has more money to throw at its athletic programs I think that both Belmont and ORU have has much more success as a whole in their athletic programs.

I think the Ramblers have a chance to be successful, but they need to improve as a entire athletic program FAST

How exactly are we in the "Chicago market?" Illinois State is an Illinois school, not a Chicago school. Bradley might as well be in Missouri. Southern Illinois might as well be in Kentucky. Loyola is a Chicago school at its core. It is clearly a net gain for the Valley's presence in Chicago, especially if Loyola gets hot and has a good year (which will give a boost for the entire Valley in Chicago). DePaul is still riding the success of Mark Aguirre from 1980!

[SteinPizza]

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How exactly are we in the "Chicago market?" Illinois State is an Illinois school, not a Chicago school. Bradley might as well be in Missouri. Southern Illinois might as well be in Kentucky. Loyola is a Chicago school at its core. It is clearly a net gain for the Valley's presence in Chicago, especially if Loyola gets hot and has a good year (which will give a boost for the entire Valley in Chicago). DePaul is still riding the success of Mark Aguirre from 1980!

As a city resident, I agree. There's also a soft dollar value for the MVC, in that it gives casual fan alumni of Illinois State, Bradley, and SIU more of a reason to follow their teams if they're good. All of a sudden, your school has a local game, and a little more local media coverage on a large stage. Same goes for all local area Loyola alumni too. BTW, there are a hell of a lot of almuni in the city from all four schools (especially ISU and Bradley), and 99% of those are probably very casual fans. You win over a few percentage points, and you've done yourself a big favor as a conference. The key to what I said above...you have to win. Mediocre seasons don't mean squat in the mindshare battle.

[TravelingPanther]

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How exactly are we in the "Chicago market?" Illinois State is an Illinois school, not a Chicago school. Bradley might as well be in Missouri. Southern Illinois might as well be in Kentucky. Loyola is a Chicago school at its core. It is clearly a net gain for the Valley's presence in Chicago, especially if Loyola gets hot and has a good year (which will give a boost for the entire Valley in Chicago). DePaul is still riding the success of Mark Aguirre from 1980!

Because our games are broadcast on FoxSports/Comcast Chicago.

[SteinPizza]

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Because our games are broadcast on FoxSports/Comcast Chicago.

So what??? So are Missouri State's, Comcast Chicago is part of the MVC TV package. The markets in Peoria, Bloomington, Carbondale, Champaign, etc. are not local. Geographically, culturally, demographically, name any bullet point you want. They are "downstate", and it's an apt term.

What they do have are decent alumni bases here. See my post above.

[TravelingPanther]

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So what??? So are Missouri State's, Comcast Chicago is part of the MVC TV package. The markets in Peoria, Bloomington, Carbondale, Champaign, etc. are not local. Geographically, culturally, demographically, name any bullet point you want. They are "downstate", and it's an apt term.

What they do have are decent alumni bases here. See my post above.

Originally Posted by achrist70
I agree with jnutt on these two, both would have still put us in bigger markets that we are not currently, and I don't really think that Loyola puts us in Chicago more than we are.

We are currently in Chicago via these TV contracts. Adding Loyala does not put us on any more TVs in Chicago.

Then the question was:

"How exactly are we in the "Chicago market?"

The answer is TV contracts. If you read the whole conversation it is pretty clear cut.

No one ever said UNI is a part of the Chicago market. But we get into the Chicago market via these TV games.

[UNIpanther99]

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We are only on in Chicago when the Bulls and Blackhawks are off... Which is like, never.

[UNI88]

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As a city resident, I agree. There's also a soft dollar value for the MVC, in that it gives casual fan alumni of Illinois State, Bradley, and SIU more of a reason to follow their teams if they're good. All of a sudden, your school has a local game, and a little more local media coverage on a large stage. Same goes for all local area Loyola alumni too. BTW, there are a hell of a lot of almuni in the city from all four schools (especially ISU and Bradley), and 99% of those are probably very casual fans. You win over a few percentage points, and you've done yourself a big favor as a conference. The key to what I said above...you have to win. Mediocre seasons don't mean squat in the mindshare battle.

Well said!

Another aspect is that playing a game in Chicago every year has the potential to help recruiting for all Valley schools. Some players will be more interested knowing that they'll play at least one game that their friends and family can more easily attend. Improved recruiting leads to better teams and better records and the conference as a whole improves.

[UNI88]

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Good question. I've been wondering this myself. Maybe it has been discussion on the Creighton site. It seems logical that Loyola would have been part of that conversation at some level.

I think DePaul would veto any consideration of Loyola.

The A10 might have been an option long-term but there is more uncertainty with the A10 than there is with the Valley.

[williebat]

You are all missing the point. If Loyola can be good consistently then college basketball fans in Chicago will take notice. That is good for all of us. Then they get some local press attention. Get talked about a little bit on sports radio and exposure increases for valley.

But they need to get good first. If not then they might as well be in BFE.

[JayJ79]

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We are only on in Chicago when the Bulls and Blackhawks are off... Which is like, never.

isn't that kind of like how it is with radio coverage of UNI events in the Des Moines area? (except instead of Bulls and Blackhawks, it is Cyclones and Hawkeyes)

[Silent Earl]

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It's never the hawkeyes, they're on WHO. I don't know what station carries Cyclone fb and mens bb, but it's not ours. It's mostly Cyclone women or any sporting event of national interest. There have been ML baseball games, NFL games, NASCAR races, and a bunch of others I cannot remember that we have been preempted for. I believe without checking that KXNO is a Fox sports station, so basically anything Fox carries that they are either required to carry or just think there is more interest in can get the Panthers booted.

It ends up being about half our games on and half not. The most aggravating part is there's rarely any way to tell in advance. The guides etc. will show UNI then at game time we get something else, when it's too late to try and make alternate plans.