Up Next: Virginia Commonwealth

[Khan4Cats]

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If Deon could do better at passing off the drives (and making layups), he would be extraordinary.

He must do it well in practice since Coach keeps putting him in these situations.

Which also brings up the question:

How many other players on the team could get into the places that Deon gets to? Maybe Wes. Lohaus is heady, but not nearly as quick. Deon just gets in positions nobody else does. He does need to finish better, but so the other players when he gets them the ball.

[UNIGrainer]

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Not only is this years non-conference schedule more challenging, the Valley is better than it was in 2010, especially at the top. We have two teams ranked in the top 25 and one hovering just outside the top 10. In 2010 we needed close to a 15 game winning streak just to crack the top 25. And if you remember in 2010 CU was a play in team and right in the middle of their death spiral.

Not sure I agree with this. First off, Creighton was never a play-in team. Ever…..including 2010. Secondly, there are probably two teams better at the top this year…..but there is a much bigger abyss at the bottom. I see only one truly poor team on the ledger in 2010 (Evansville). This year I could see two or three teams that are RPI abysses.

Overall it seems pretty comparable. The biggest difference being WSU. But the point is this year (outside of Wichita), like in 2010, there isn’t much we can do in the conference to impress the committee. There is a lot we can do to hurt ourselves though. That team went 28-4, notched wins over mediocre ACC, B12 and B10 teams, destroyed the MVC (winning the league by 3 games), destroyed Arch Madness……and were rewarded with a 9 seed. If that team had gone, say, 25-7 with a loss in the title game at Arch Madness do they even make the tourney?

The margin for error is small, but we can make it bigger by notching impressive wins noncon. We have some good wins, but we really need one to hang our hat on. I hope we can win on Saturday, and I hope Iowa ends up being an NCAA caliber team so we can use that to our advantage.

[hoopfan]

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Which also brings up the question:

How many other players on the team could get into the places that Deon gets to? Maybe Wes. Lohaus is heady, but not nearly as quick. Deon just gets in positions nobody else does. He does need to finish better, but so the other players when he gets them the ball.

Another great response. Deon brings a lot to the floor that we can't get from anyone else on the roster. He can find the open guy, but that guy needs to make a shot. Case in point was the 1st overtime when he went baseline with about a minute left and kicked it out to Bo on the left wing and Bo missed a wide open look. Next possession Bo gets a pass from Wes and he knocks down the 3. Deon did everything right the previous possession, but wasn't rewarded with an assist. Same with the dish to Paul on the break. If Deon keeps it, several on this board would've crucified him. He dishes and had nothing to show for it. No matter what he does on the court, it won't be enough for some on here.

[UNIdad]

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Another great response. Deon brings a lot to the floor that we can't get from anyone else on the roster. He can find the open guy, but that guy needs to make a shot. Case in point was the 1st overtime when he went baseline with about a minute left and kicked it out to Bo on the left wing and Bo missed a wide open look. Next possession Bo gets a pass from Wes and he knocks down the 3. Deon did everything right the previous possession, but wasn't rewarded with an assist. Same with the dish to Paul on the break. If Deon keeps it, several on this board would've crucified him. He dishes and had nothing to show for it. No matter what he does on the court, it won't be enough for some on here.

You're probably right. We tend to focus on what he does wrong rather than what he does right. Yet, the missed layups after great moves have got to go in.

[ProwlingPanther]

Getting into positions nobody else can get to doesn't help unless u can also execute once u are there. The everyone around him misses shots for him is weak. Every PG deals with that.

[BCPanther]

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Deon would be great in a high possession system.

When you play as slow as we do, every possession is magnified and every turnover hurts a little more.

You just have to learn to take the bad with the good.

[hoopfan]

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Deon would be great in a high possession system.

When you play as slow as we do, every possession is magnified and every turnover hurts a little more.

You just have to learn to take the bad with the good.

I don't disagree with this at all, but I'm also amazed that Tuttle gets a pass for the amount of turnovers he commits. Is it because there isn't a true backup for Tuttle? If Bennett was putting up numbers like Wes is, would people be upset about Tuttle's turnovers?

I'm not trying to tear down Tuttle, I'm just trying to understand the logic?

[ProwlingPanther]

Tuttle was taken out of the game. Your idea of getting a pass must be different than mine.

[BCPanther]

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I don't disagree with this at all, but I'm also amazed that Tuttle gets a pass for the amount of turnovers he commits. Is it because there isn't a true backup for Tuttle? If Bennett was putting up numbers like Wes is, would people be upset about Tuttle's turnovers?

I'm not trying to tear down Tuttle, I'm just trying to understand the logic?

I totally understand your point too.

The difference is Tuttle is headed for one of the better careers in UNI history and two time first team All-Valley. His production has made up for the turnovers.

I think Deon is a really good player, I think the staff fell in love with the flashy and didn't really look at system fit. If he'd taken the 4 for 5 from Baylor and gotten to play with those athletes he'd have had a pretty good career, not to say he's been bad here. I'm now rambling...

[domedays]

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I don't disagree with this at all, but I'm also amazed that Tuttle gets a pass for the amount of turnovers he commits. Is it because there isn't a true backup for Tuttle? If Bennett was putting up numbers like Wes is, would people be upset about Tuttle's turnovers?

I'm not trying to tear down Tuttle, I'm just trying to understand the logic?

Didn't get a pass, but here are a couple reasons if you want to give him one
First in points
First in rebounds
second in assists
and I'm guessing over 50% on LAY UPS

[UNIPNTHR]

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Tuttle was taken out of the game. Your idea of getting a pass must be different than mine.

Gets a pass from message board posters.

For one thing, Tuttle is certainly more effective turning his possessions into points than Deon has been this year, even if Tuttle does have a higher Turnover Rate than Deon.

We haven't seen Deon's best basketball this year. And probably haven't seen Tuttle's best yet either, for that matter.

[UNIdad]

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[QUOTE=UNIPNTHR;397553]Gets a pass from message board posters.

For one thing, Tuttle is certainly more effective turning his possessions into points than Deon has been this year, even if Tuttle does have a higher Turnover Rate than Deon.

We haven't seen Deon's best basketball this year. And probably haven't seen Tuttle's best yet either, for that matter.[/QUOTE]


This is a nice way to think about it.

[Kyle]

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Not sure I agree with this. First off, Creighton was never a play-in team. Ever…..including 2010. Secondly, there are probably two teams better at the top this year…..but there is a much bigger abyss at the bottom. I see only one truly poor team on the ledger in 2010 (Evansville). This year I could see two or three teams that are RPI abysses.

Overall it seems pretty comparable. The biggest difference being WSU. But the point is this year (outside of Wichita), like in 2010, there isn’t much we can do in the conference to impress the committee. There is a lot we can do to hurt ourselves though. That team went 28-4, notched wins over mediocre ACC, B12 and B10 teams, destroyed the MVC (winning the league by 3 games), destroyed Arch Madness……and were rewarded with a 9 seed. If that team had gone, say, 25-7 with a loss in the title game at Arch Madness do they even make the tourney?

The margin for error is small, but we can make it bigger by notching impressive wins noncon. We have some good wins, but we really need one to hang our hat on. I hope we can win on Saturday, and I hope Iowa ends up being an NCAA caliber team so we can use that to our advantage.

My mistake on the CU play-in game. I'm not sure how I missed that.

You can't qualify all your statements about the MVC this year by excluding WSU. Having a chance to knock out a top-10 opponent TWICE is a huge change from 2010. And even outside of WSU I'll argue the league is better. In 2010 we had four teams with RPI's under 100. This year we currently have five teams with RPI's under 100 and three with RPI's under 50.

And like I already pointed out, our non-conference slat is much better this year. In 2010 we had a terrible loss to DePaul (RPI 212) and only one good win against Siena (RPI 31). This year our only loss is to VCU (RPI 4) and we have three sub 100 RPI wins.

Look, the bottom line is there is a reason nearly every projected NCAA bracket has us safely in the field and carrying a single digit seed. We are 9-1 with an RPI of 26 and ranked just outside the top 25. So, IMO the margin for error is not razor thin like you are making it out to be.

[Kyle]

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We haven't seen Deon's best basketball this year

FG % :: .268
3P % :: .188
FT % :: .721
RPG :: 2.9
APG :: 2.3
SPG :: 1.1
BPG :: .1
TPG :: 2.1

I'd hope not.

[Mudrafan]

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Here are Deon's stats for the year. According to these numbers, he is playing at a level that his stats say do not belong. He has been overmatched. It is well past time that Wes started & Wyatt & others cut into Deon's minutes.
FG% - 28%
3% - 18%
Ass-turnover ratio - 1 to 1