*2015-16 CBB non-UNI games*

[06panther10]

KenPom now projects that UNI and WSU will tie for the Valley Championship with conference records of 13-5. Evansville is a close third with a record of 12-6.

WSU is not going to lose 5 Valley games.

[UNIdad]

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WSU is not going to lose 5 Valley games.

Nor is another Valley team we know and love.

[Stickboy46]

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I understand Grady, Shamet, and Frankamp are going to be a big part of their team, but none of them played last year. Do you really expect them to be such big pieces to the puzzle right away? I don't care who their leading scorers are so far this year, these guys have 3-5 games in - it's far too early to use that as a factor, especially when two of the games were against Charleston Southern and Emporia State. Regardless, they don't seem to go as deep as everybody was saying, at least not until their young guys get more playing time.

Yes, I would expect two transfers and a talented freshmen to make an impact. I disagree with your last statement though a little bit. The fact that we had to heavily rely on that depth extremely early on and they were competitive against decent teams shows the talent. Most "depth" is never expected to fully carry a team, they are expected to step in to give a player a break, or cover for a single injury. Thst is a totally different scenario than missing 4 key players and expecting them to not skip a beat. It just doesn't work that way.

IF Fred and Grady are back 100% by conference season (Frankamp is a for sure by Dec 12th), I don't foresee WSU losing more than 2 conference games. The freshmen got vital minutes and once the pressure is off of them to run the team, they will shine. We have already seen that start from McDuffie and Hamilton.

[Stickboy46]

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You have an All American guard that is still playing.

I was also told that Shaq Morris was going to be a force. He really disappears for long stretches.

When your top 4 offensive threats besides that All American guard are on the bench, the defensive game plan becomes "double Baker" at all times. That's what everyone did in this tourney. Ron did all he could, but he needs someone else that can score on the floor at the same time to help draw that coverage off.

As far as Shaq... He's been disappointing. The kid has the skill to completely dominate, but has no drive or confidence. He takes so many pays off, it's hard to keep him on the floor. He played better today but still had a lot of lazy plays that cost us points. The whole sophomore class has appeared to taken a step backwards. Zach Brown seems scared and has no conference. Kelly has been decent, but hasn't improved as much as we hoped. I'm hoping once we get an actual point guard on the for that knows how to run an offense, they will look better.

[SteinPizza]

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When your top 4 offensive threats besides that All American guard are on the bench, the defensive game plan becomes "double Baker" at all times. That's what everyone did in this tourney. Ron did all he could, but he needs someone else that can score on the floor at the same time to help draw that coverage off.

As far as Shaq... He's been disappointing. The kid has the skill to completely dominate, but has no drive or confidence. He takes so many pays off, it's hard to keep him on the floor. He played better today but still had a lot of lazy plays that cost us points. The whole sophomore class has appeared to taken a step backwards. Zach Brown seems scared and has no conference. Kelly has been decent, but hasn't improved as much as we hoped. I'm hoping once we get an actual point guard on the for that knows how to run an offense, they will look better.

Are the issues all 100% injury related, or is there something more behind the scenes? Sometimes in situations like this, you find out later on there was some semi-hidden drama that threw the team's chemistry and focus out of whack. A good example is Iowa State last year. A few negative stories came out after their huge upset loss to UAB in the NCAA Tourney.

Not saying any of that's the case here, but you never know. Pure speculation on my part.

[Stickboy46]

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Are the issues all 100% injury related, or is there something more behind the scenes? Sometimes in situations like this, you find out later on there was some semi-hidden drama that threw the team's chemistry and focus out of whack. A good example is Iowa State last year. A few negative stories came out after their huge upset loss to UAB in the NCAA Tourney.

Not saying any of that's the case here, but you never know. Pure speculation on my part.

I think its a combination of things that all drive from the injuries. When you have key people injured .. and several of them.. you put people in positions they aren't meant to be in and they aren't ready for. Freshmen being asked to shoulder the load on a team where you are expected to win. People playing out of position etc etc.

As far as off the court issues, I haven't heard of anything yet. The only things I've heard of is that Shaq's mom is having some health issues, I have no idea how that affects him but his effort has been severely lacking again this year.

There very well may some problems, but they haven't surfaced yet.

[ceaser150]

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Redbirds tied with kentucky at the half

[sivert]

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Il State 31
Kentucky 31
Halftime

[Panther'73]

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Il State 31
Kentucky 31
Halftime

ILL. St.has had 28 fouls called against them.

[95UNIGRAD]

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ISUr loses to Kentucky by 12.

The Redbirds attempt ten free throws, the Wildcats FORTY-SIX. Hmmmm.....

[06panther10]

Richmond lost at Florida 76-56.

UNC looking real good with Paige back against Maryland right now.

[otter]

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Paige is back and helping UNC to lead Maryland 26-16 10 mins in

[Panther100]

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Cyclones 84 Buffalo Chips 64.

[lakesbison]

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NDSU had Iowa State within 2-4 points the entire game until the end.

52-50 with 10 minutes left. Oh well. NDSU should be in the MVC.

[Trapped in California]

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