All Conference Teams

[BCPanther]

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Spencer and Juwan are the new Deon and Wes. Basically co-starters that are going to play a bunch...

[SteinPizza]

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Remember when there was controversy as to whether or not to take Carlson over Schlatter?

Fun times. Fun times.

Schlatter has gotten some PT for Drake. He could be a decent player with time, but projecting that is a bit of a guess. That also might be a apples/oranges comparison, since Carlson might be able to develop into a basket facing threat to score in mutiple ways. Totally different than a traditional post player like Koch or Friedman.

[claw]

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Schlatter has gotten some PT for Drake. He could be a decent player with time, but projecting that is a bit of a guess. That also might be a apples/oranges comparison, since Carlson might be able to develop into a basket facing threat to score in mutiple ways. Totally different than a traditional post player like Koch or Friedman.

Schlatter is shooting about 32% from the floor against D1 teams this year. He's 6'10".

[Zakelsta]

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Who would you replace him with on the 1st team? Pretty impressive list of names there.

Both Baker and Van Vleet have inferior stats to Washpun. They both got on that list because of name recognition.

Washpun:
14.1 ppg
4.1 rpg
5.4 apg
1.2 spg
0.6 bpg

Baker:
13.9 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.1 apg
1.6 spg
0.6 bpg

Van Vleet:
12.3 ppg
3.3 rpg
5.8 apg
1.7 spg
0.1 bpg

[GonzoCat]

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Everyone knows your teams overall performance is a factor in individual awards. If UNI had not lost 6-7 games we had no business losing Wes would have been first team. It was also pretty obvious the all Wes offense is what cost us most or all of those game.

[SubGod22]

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Both Baker and Van Vleet have inferior stats to Washpun. They both got on that list because of name recognition.

Washpun:
14.1 ppg
4.1 rpg
5.4 apg
1.2 spg
0.6 bpg

Baker:
13.9 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.1 apg
1.6 spg
0.6 bpg

Van Vleet:
12.3 ppg
3.3 rpg
5.8 apg
1.7 spg
0.1 bpg

Only if you go by PPG. Baker beats him in RPG and SPG. Tied in BPG. VanVleet tops him in APG and SPG and A:TO ratio which wasn't provided.

Wes is a hell of a player and you could definitely make an argument for him being 1st team. I'd have put him on over Beane. But there's also more than just the numbers and the impact on games. I haven't watched UNI play enough to compare them all but Baker and VanVleet do a lot. They're also two of the best defensive players in the league which also plays into this. Baker is the best defender on the Shockers team. Fred probably second.

[06panther10]

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VanVleet doesn't "top him" in assists. He averages a couple tenths of a percentage more per game, and Wes has significantly more total assists.

[Panther100]

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I understand T Lohaus played late in the season. That's great, but ankle injuries can vary. I would say it's prudent to R/S him. He'll be a good one.

[hoopfan]

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VanVleet doesn't "top him" in assists. He averages a couple tenths of a percentage more per game, and Wes has significantly more total assists.

When you factor in that VanVleet played 5 less games and averages 5.8 assists per game, he does top Wes. We could then also discuss the fact that Wichita's record is quite a bit better than UNI's and winning does count for something.

[hoopfan]

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Everyone knows your teams overall performance is a factor in individual awards. If UNI had not lost 6-7 games we had no business losing Wes would have been first team. It was also pretty obvious the all Wes offense is what cost us most or all of those game.

Hard to argue with that. Also, if you take Beane off of SIU, they probably look something like Bradley/Drake this year. Wes had some good games in the non-conference, but to say he was the best player on the floor in every game is beyond ridiculous. Especially when Jeremy was better than him for the majority of the year, but did it in a way that wasn't real flashy. Wes is important to this team and there is no way we beat ISU or UNC without him, but I don't think there is anyone on the 1st team that he should be ahead of.

Like I said in the other thread about this topic, I think Jeremy was the only one who didn't get the accolades he deserves. When you look at him and Ron Baker, there isn't a whole of difference in their stat lines. Baker averaged three more points per game, but took 100 shots more than Jeremy over the course of the year. Jeremy shot better from 2, 3 and the foul line. Jeremy averaged more rebounds, blocks and steals per game.

[06panther10]

When you factor in that VanVleet played 5 less games and averages 5.8 assists per game, he does top Wes. We could then also discuss the fact that Wichita's record is quite a bit better than UNI's and winning does count for something.

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Games he didn't play do not go against his per game average. I don't know where you are getting the 5.8 number.

[hoopfan]

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Games he didn't play do not go against his per game average. I don't know where you are getting the 5.8 number.

http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wki is where the 5.8 number came from. I understand games not played doesn't affect his per game average. What it does affect is the total number of assist on the year. You stated Wes had way more assists on the year and my point was that if Fred played the same number of games, he would likely have more total assists than Wes. That is all.

[Blue42]

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I can only hope the votes give Barry Hinson the Coach of the Year over Marshall...

if only to see Marshall pout through the awards ceremony again this year.

He Gregg...got a text? Why you staring at your phone while Tuttle gets the Bird Trophy? The shows on the stage son!

[BCPanther]

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SIU beat writer went with Jake over Marshall. I Lol'd and pictured Greggggggggg pouting.

[UNIdad]

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No, 1st Team, 2nd Team and Honorable Mention are listed alphabetically by last name, but the other three are not, so they must be listed by votes received.

So, will we ever get to know the actual votes? Or at least the vote counts?