All Conference Teams

[shockerfan]

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Both Baker and Van Vleet have inferior stats to Washpun. They both got on that list because of name recognition.

Washpun:
14.1 ppg
4.1 rpg
5.4 apg
1.2 spg
0.6 bpg

Baker:
13.9 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.1 apg
1.6 spg
0.6 bpg

Van Vleet:
12.3 ppg
3.3 rpg
5.8 apg
1.7 spg
0.1 bpg

Fred had almost half the amount of Turnovers that Wes had. Ron had less as well. That is a very key statistic for guards obviously. Probably had some to do with it also.

FWIW I like Wes and he has had a good year thus far. I would have put him above Beane at the very least. Just pointing that out.

[SteinPizza]

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Both Baker and Van Vleet have inferior stats to Washpun. They both got on that list because of name recognition.

Washpun:
14.1 ppg
4.1 rpg
5.4 apg
1.2 spg
0.6 bpg

Baker:
13.9 ppg
4.6 rpg
3.1 apg
1.6 spg
0.6 bpg

Van Vleet:
12.3 ppg
3.3 rpg
5.8 apg
1.7 spg
0.1 bpg

Wes had a really good year, but the biggest reason he put up those numbers was because he had to. He's the only guard we have who has ANY playmaking ability. Morgan makes plays, but they're primarily defensive in nature, and/or don't show up in a stat line. Everyone else needs someone like Wes to either set them up, or loosen up the D for them.

Look, he's a really good player. He has to be to generate those numbers and be our lone offensive catalyst. But to look at pure numbers and say he's better than both Baker and Van Vleet is absurd. Both of them have the same kind of playmaking, game plan altering ability that Wes has, they're just both on the same team.

[Panther100]

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When you factor in that VanVleet played 5 less games and averages 5.8 assists per game, he does top Wes. We could then also discuss the fact that Wichita's record is quite a bit better than UNI's and winning does count for something.

Agreed, when teams were getting their teeth kicked in how else would the votes go?

[Panther100]

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Lohaus will start. I would guess Haldeman starts at PG but we will see. Mcloud has a chance.

And I think McDonnel has a chance to start as well although Carlson has a very good chance as well.

Its not that important who starts. Its more important who finishes.

[UNIdad]

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Fred had almost half the amount of Turnovers that Wes had. Ron had less as well. That is a very key statistic for guards obviously. Probably had some to do with it also.

FWIW I like Wes and he has had a good year thus far. I would have put him above Beane at the very least. Just pointing that out.

The ball certainly spent a lot more time in Washpun's hands than Baker's, so of course Baker will have fewer turnovers.

P.S. Just let us whine. It is our forum for therapy, not necessarily facts.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Maybe I took the post the wrong way, but I think thee point is not that FVV shouldn't be a 1st Teamer, but that Wes' stats are similar (if not better than) Fred's...and FVV was POY. I think you can make a strong argument that Wes should have been a 1st Teamer. The fact that Beane got 5 POY votes from some voters probably propelled him over Wes onto the 1st Team.

[Panther'73]

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Barry Hinson coach of the year...