Next Year

[SteinPizza]

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Uni will never get to an elite eight or better with straight high school recruiting.

Before any of you blow a gasket over this statement, I'll say it does have some merit. I'm not in complete agreement, since our overall level of recruit is trending upward, and it's not all in state players. But, since talent level dictates a lot of how basketball games go, transfers are the best way to equalize a disparity. What we're comparing is our program to others nationally who are consistently legit Final Eight contenders, not frakin' Iowa or Evansville. We've had good luck with transfers, going back to Eric Crawford. I want to see that continue.

[panther-state]

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Want to get over the top? It will be done with grad transfers, regular transfers, and or JUCOs. If you don't agree with that then so be it.

Uni will never get to an elite eight or better with straight high school recruiting.

Wasn't aware we've been on that track, considering we just graduated 2 transfer players and just learned of a new Panther transfer this week.

At no point have I ever said transfers are bad. You've just always (until recently) gone over the top about how ridiculous it is that Jacobson doesn't go after JUCOs. You've said it over the past few years, even when we've brought in other transfers...and two JUCO's who didn't last more than 1 year.

Once again, this isn't about transfers, this is about how you seem to think Jake doesn't know what he's doing and only recruiting a kid because his last name is "Lohaus".

[Username]

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What do you guys think the conference will look like next year? I think UNI has the potential to finish in top 3 and if we finish in top 2 with all these freshman that'd be huge. P.S. According to verbal commits the Brzoja guy from Evansville is going pro.

This year it was Wichita State, with an outside chance from Evansville/UNI.

Next year it's a 2 man race between Wichita State and UNI, slight edge to WSU. Outside shot to Illinois State and SIU. I actually think SIU would be pretty good if they scheduled decently.

[domedays]

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Albrecht would potentially fill a real need for us, but I totally agree with what you're saying about taller wings. UNI needs more length, and the staff knows this. That's why there's been a quest for longer 2s and 3s for awhile. The staff's had a couple of guys crap out trying to get there, but at least they're not satisfied with starting 3 players 6'2 or less. Doing so really limits your upside as a team. 2010 was a great year, but if you want it to not be a one off, you keep moving the needle upwards on length and athleticism. While it may not be officially stated, the staff seems to be trying to do just that.

What coaching staff is not trying to bring in length and athleticism? They try and bring the best players in that fit their program. I have to believe that absolutely nothing has changed in the coaches outlook. With success you get more highly regarded players showing interest. You make it sound like previously they were choosing to avoid tall athletic players. One thing that I doubt has changed and should not change is that they need players that fit our program.
Tall--great, athletic--outstanding, hardworking on defense---definitely, team first--a must.
I don't care if they are transfers, Juco, High school, prep school whatever.

[run&blade]

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I think sometimes it is better to do nothing and bold a scholarship hoping for a transfer instead of giving it to somebody that will use it for five years with a very limited upside.

[catsize]

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I think sometimes it is better to do nothing and bold a scholarship hoping for a transfer instead of giving it to somebody that will use it for five years with a very limited upside.

Weird, it appears that is what we are doing....

[DownGoesKansas]

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The transfer argument is so silly. If you think we need to step up our recruiting that's one thing but transfers have nothing to do with that. Sure if a transfers comes up and he can help the program then you take him but that isn't necessarily easy and those players can also be gotten via HS recruiting.

The last 2 transfers other that Austin are Wes and Paul. We didn't want Wes out of HS and recruited Paul fairly hard.

I believe the next step of our program has nothing to do with getting transfers but has to do with winning recruiting battles for the Jesperson/Matt Thomas type recruits who we find early and recruit hard.

Ok get back to your transfer non sense now.

[BCPanther]

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what do you guys think the conference will look like next year? I think uni has the potential to finish in top 3 and if we finish in top 2 with all these freshman that'd be huge. P.s. According to verbal commits the brzoja guy from evansville is going pro.

1-wsu
2-uni
3-ilsu
4-msu
5-siu
6-insu
7-lu
8-bu
9-ue
10-du

[run&blade]

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Transfer nonsense.

Ali was a transfer that hit the biggest shot in Uni history.

Wes carries the team on his back to NCAA tournament.

What?

[DownGoesKansas]

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Transfer nonsense.

Ali was a transfer that hit the biggest shot in Uni history.

Wes carries the team on his back to NCAA tournament.

What?

And we could have gotten either player out of hs. So what does a transfer have to do with getting better talent.



There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a transfer and we should look into any we feel can help our program but to imply that we need them is silly.

[Kyle]

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I think it's quite hilarious R&B constantly harps on improving the quality of our recruits while simultaneously exalting JUCO players as basketball deities.

Can you snag a great D1 player from the JUCO ranks? Sure you can. You can also catch a world record small mouth bass in a rural farm pond, but if big fish are what you're after, I recommend driving to the nearest reservoir.

I don't really care where the next all star comes from. The best player in UNI history was a high school recruit from small town Iowa. One of our biggest disappointment was a prep school kid (only prep school recruit in UNI history?). Coach Jake is consistently improving our roster through many different channels and I have no reason to believe we need wholesale recruiting changes.

[UNIChippewa]

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Transfer nonsense.

Ali was a transfer that hit the biggest shot in Uni history.

Wes carries the team on his back to NCAA tournament.

What?

You've reached a state of babbling nonsense now, and it's like you've gotten so accustomed to arguing with people on here that even when we agree with you you're still arguing.

"Hey guys, it's really good to have a transfer or two on our teams!"

"You're right R & B, this season's transfers were big parts of our team's success"

"Guys, you're all idiots! We really need transfers to drive this team farther and farther into the tournament!"

"Yes R & B, you're right...."

"I can't believe that no one else agrees with me about the need for transfers in our program!! AHHHHHHH!!! AHHHHHHHH!"

[sivert]

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This reminds me of the game show Let's Make a Deal. 3 doors; choose #1; they tell you #3 is a goat; do you switch to #2?

Yes. You do. And yes we could get guys out of HS instead of later in transfer, but in the transfer situation, you do get more information than you had out of HS. Ali worked like crazy to get the shooting skill he did and get the transfer he did.

Arias was looking like a good transfer, also.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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1-wsu
2-uni
3-ilsu
4-msu
5-siu
6-insu
7-lu
8-bu
9-ue
10-du

Evansville lost another player to transfer.
They are now down 3 of their top 6 (the only 6 that played in every game this year) in Balentine, Mock, Brzoja, and Wing. Now, Harris Brown, another guard is transferring.

That leaves J.Brown (10.8PPG) and Simmons (5.9PPG) as the only two Evansville players to return to play in all games this year.
They also return Wiley (2.4PPG), Howard (2.0PPG), Gibson (2.0PPG), Benzon (1.9PPG), and Vucetic (1.1PPG).

That's also only 36.7% (73.9 min/game...out of 200 MPG) of their minutes returning (2512 minutes).

By comparison, UNI returns 48.9% of their minutes and 5 of their 8 players who played in all eligible games.

[DownGoesKansas]

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Evansville lost another player to transfer.
They are now down 3 of their top 6 (the only 6 that played in every game this year) in Balentine, Mock, Brzoja, and Wing. Now, Harris Brown, another guard is transferring.

That leaves J.Brown (10.8PPG) and Simmons (5.9PPG) as the only two Evansville players to return to play in all games this year.
They also return Wiley (2.4PPG), Howard (2.0PPG), Gibson (2.0PPG), Benzon (1.9PPG), and Vucetic (1.1PPG).

That's also only 36.7% (73.9 min/game...out of 200 MPG) of their minutes returning (2512 minutes).

By comparison, UNI returns 48.9% of their minutes and 5 of their 8 players who played in all eligible games.

Agreed, Evansville will have a massive drop. An interesting team could be Loyola. They performed way below expectations this year and lose there top players outside of Doyle. But the conference is down, Doyle is very good, and they do add Custer who should be good so I wouldn't be surprised if they had a decent team. I hope they do at least, need a few other decent teams.