2016-17 mens bb begins journey

[PanthersMBB]

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My opinion is Ashton had a great tourney but if you watch each game he does some selfish plays and I am sure he will get better as we go. He had Bennett wide open a few times and chose to take it to hoop and miss lay up. There were some dumb turnovers especially for the young guys and jake knows this will happen and they will continue to get better and smarter. I thought Haldeman had outstanding tournament. He showed he can compete with the big boys, played solid defense, shot the ball well. The Last game he never got in until under 10 min mark which I think hurt him as he didn't get involved. But for Redshirt freshman to play point against this competition they played this weekend especially the Oklahoma game says alot what jake thinks he is capable of. We know jake will continue to have mcloud at point and he will have turnovers but give him time he will be good. His shot just isn't going his way yet and he is not finishing. I feel he is still trying to play like high school and go to hoop and it just isn't working now. Very excited for the season.

[hoopfan]

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My opinion is Ashton had a great tourney but if you watch each game he does some selfish plays and I am sure he will get better as we go. He had Bennett wide open a few times and chose to take it to hoop and miss lay up. There were some dumb turnovers especially for the young guys and jake knows this will happen and they will continue to get better and smarter. I thought Haldeman had outstanding tournament. He showed he can compete with the big boys, played solid defense, shot the ball well. The Last game he never got in until under 10 min mark which I think hurt him as he didn't get involved. But for Redshirt freshman to play point against this competition they played this weekend especially the Oklahoma game says alot what jake thinks he is capable of. We know jake will continue to have mcloud at point and he will have turnovers but give him time he will be good. His shot just isn't going his way yet and he is not finishing. I feel he is still trying to play like high school and go to hoop and it just isn't working now. Very excited for the season.

He has 6 turnovers in 4 games, 3 of those against quality competition. Bennett had 6 turnovers in the last game alone and 12 already on the season. I'm not worried about McCloud's ability to control the ball, I'm worried about Bennett being able to take care of it when he gets a touch in the post.

[ubuntuCAT]

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He has 6 turnovers in 4 games, 3 of those against quality competition. Bennett had 6 turnovers in the last game alone and 12 already on the season. I'm not worried about McCloud's ability to control the ball, I'm worried about Bennett being able to take care of it when he gets a touch in the post.

felt like Bennett had 12 turnovers in the second half of the Xavier game.

[BCPanther]

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felt like Bennett had 12 turnovers in the second half of the Xavier game.

Our spacing was awful during that second half. Guards didn't do a good enough job of making themselves available for Bennett to get the ball out.

They'll get that corrected this week. The rematch is going to be so much fun!

[UNIdad]

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Our spacing was awful during that second half. Guards didn't do a good enough job of making themselves available for Bennett to get the ball out.

They'll get that corrected this week. The rematch is going to be so much fun!

Was it "our spacing?" Or Xavier's "defensive spacing?" I think Xavier learned a few things from watching us earlier in the tournament and made some great adjustments for the game against us.

[dan_beeding]

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McCloud reminds me a lot of a young Deon. Very quick and athletic, great first step, takes some ill-advised chances. We'll have to take the bad with the good with him this year.

[dan_beeding]

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Was it "our spacing?" Or Xavier's "defensive spacing?" I think Xavier learned a few things from watching us earlier in the tournament and made some great adjustments for the game against us.

I'm really looking forward to the chess match between two very good coaches this weekend.

[EVSPanther]

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Was it "our spacing?" Or Xavier's "defensive spacing?" I think Xavier learned a few things from watching us earlier in the tournament and made some great adjustments for the game against us.

I think both are true. Not the best recipe for open shots. I do like the assertiveness of Bennett when he gets the ball; although, I'm sure the coaches will point out the kick-out opportunities that were missed. I think we got so use to how good Tuttle was at this that we are a bit spoiled. I think this is definitely an area Bennett can and will get better at though. It will help his game on the block if he can soften up the doubles, forcing them to stay with the shooters.

[hoopfan]

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Our spacing was awful during that second half. Guards didn't do a good enough job of making themselves available for Bennett to get the ball out.

They'll get that corrected this week. The rematch is going to be so much fun!

Honest question, but is this on the guards or is this on Bennett. He's got 2 assists on the year against his 12 turnovers. Against Xavier, it felt like if the ball went inside to him, he was shooting it or turning it over. Ted already has 3 assists on the year, despite playing less than half the minutes and likely never seeing a double team. I don't know the answer, just putting the question out there for discussion...

I'm interested to watch Saturday's game. It's against a really good team that is familiar with UNI's tendencies after the first game. It is also the first true road game for a lot of guys on the team.

[dan_beeding]

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I think that will be a big focus of practice this week-- passing out of the double team. Tuttle was the master at this, and I'm sure Koch will be fine in this area with time.

[BCPanther]

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Honest question, but is this on the guards or is this on Bennett. He's got 2 assists on the year against his 12 turnovers. Against Xavier, it felt like if the ball went inside to him, he was shooting it or turning it over. Ted already has 3 assists on the year, despite playing less than half the minutes and likely never seeing a double team. I don't know the answer, just putting the question out there for discussion...

I'm interested to watch Saturday's game. It's against a really good team that is familiar with UNI's tendencies after the first game. It is also the first true road game for a lot of guys on the team.

It's on the guards. As soon as Bennett picks up his dribble, somebody has to get to the elbow extended on the side of the floor he is on to both give him an outlet and give him a chance to repost. Bo was a master at it, Haldeman and McCloud will get there in time.

[UNIhoops]

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Koch can definitely improve on his assists, however my guess is he has a ton of hockey assists. Where his pass leads to an assist.

Both Koch and the guards can improve. I can remember a couple times when a guard ended up below Koch and his guy poked the ball out. Koch also had his guy pinned down below and we totally missed him or got him the ball late which put him in a bad position. All will improve.

[achrist70]

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It's on both, Bennett is no where close to the passers out of the post that Tuttle was or his brother were, but our guards need to understand the spacing on the floor and what the defense is doing, Bo was a master of this that is why he holds the 3 point record, he wasn't just a great shooter we was great at getting open, Paul wasn't quite as good, but never brought his defender to the post. Watching the games in Orlando Juwan was always bringing a 2nd defender to the post.

He's young he'll learn, I think we are all in agreement that he hasn't played good basketball, but come January I think we will be excited to have this kid for 3 more years after this one.

[hoopfan]

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It's on both, Bennett is no where close to the passers out of the post that Tuttle was or his brother were, but our guards need to understand the spacing on the floor and what the defense is doing, Bo was a master of this that is why he holds the 3 point record, he wasn't just a great shooter we was great at getting open, Paul wasn't quite as good, but never brought his defender to the post. Watching the games in Orlando Juwan was always bringing a 2nd defender to the post.

He's young he'll learn, I think we are all in agreement that he hasn't played good basketball, but come January I think we will be excited to have this kid for 3 more years after this one.

I noticed Juwan make a back cut once when Bennett had the ball. When Juwan's guy went and doubled, Bennett had an easy dump off to Juwan and didn't pass it and then got stripped by Juwan's man. That was the only time I noticed him cut down there and most times all the guards vacated to the opposite wing when Bennett got the ball. I would assume that was to give him more time before the double team arrived, but he still seems slow processing it and making the right read when the double comes.

I would disagree with the statement that Juwan has played poorly, also. He's taken care of the ball, hasn't really forced anything and has been a pretty good on ball defender. The only thing he hasn't done well is shoot the ball. Unfortunately he had the turnover late in the game against Xavier and took the ill-advised layup after breaking the press late in the game against ASU. If this is him playing poorly, I'm excited to see what the future holds...

[orangetennis]

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Bennett holds on to the ball too much. He's never quick with a move or a pass. When he gets the ball, he pauses, and let's the defense reset. That's problematic for everyone.