2024 Offseason

[BCPanther]

Paveletzke to Ohio.

I'm not saying it's time to panic but it's also not not time to panic.

If that kid wasn't going P5 this is where he should have been. We quasi-recruited him out of HS, the connections we have at Iowa State and geography were all in our favor.

[clenz]

Considering we have had years where we have left a scholarship unfilled for budget purposes and we routinely have football scholarships (where we can even give partials) unfilled, how far off base am I?

I don't belive basketball has ever carried a scholarship over because of budgets. I know there have been rare seasons one was carried over because there wasn't a "recruit worth filling it" because it's not them filling for 1 year it's eating that ride of 4 or 5 (in the past) for that year and it gave the next class an extra ride to fill. Again, a result of Jake always having unbalanced classes. He inherited unbalanced classes and because of previous rules that was a tough thing to fix and he never cared to fix it because it gave him higher highs than those who tried to balance it more and he's good enough XO that his floor is still mid Valley.

As a matter of fact we have had more years where the discussion has been had about someone giving up a scholarship for an incoming recruit because we were out of scholarships than we have where we carried a scholarship over.

Football is also an entirely separate beast and calculations are different.

UNI can have 63 full equivalencies given out and split between players. The same thing happens where scholarships are carried - and this is common across all of college football - because of recruiting cycles, to pick up a late transfer but if they never come in that money goes unused, to give to a walk on in camp or late in the season as a reward, etc. Not just that we aren't talking the difference between undergrad and graduate tuition - which again, is $1,635 per student.That's a scholarship that was already on the books and went up by less than 8% of the cost of the scholarship for one season.

Football carrying 4 scholarship equivalencies a year - which again, is common across the nation - is a "budget save" of $125,000 give or take based on how it would be split between in/out of state tuition. That means football carrying 4 open rides compared to basketball telling kids "You're going to be in grad school, we can't justify that cost so please transfer" gives the department an extra savings of ~1460% over basketball

I've said it many times, but I can't stress this enough - almost zero football teams, regardless of division, fill every single scholarship every single year. It's not a budget thing, it's a numbers thing. You see all those videos about walk-ons be surprised with a scholarship? It's because they are carrying extra rides to do that.

I have some strong connections around the country so I did some asking around this morning, and these are conversations I've had with them over the years anyway. The following schools I have confirmed never fill (or essentially almost never) all 63

North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Montana
Montana State
Stephan F Austin
Jacksonville State - was FCS now FBS but even at the FBS level they aren't filling all of them every year
Indiana State - joke if you want their football budget is 1.5m over our budget
YSU

It is also worth pointing out that FBS teams aren't required to give 85. In fact FBS teams can (and some have come close in some years) been as low as 61 scholarships given in a year because their total to quality for FBS is over a 2 year rolling period. You have to average at least 73 (maybe it's 75) over any given consecutive two-year period. Meaning if you do give all 85 one year you can, theoretically, give 61 the next year as long as you go back to the full 85 the year after that.

Most FBS programs that aren't the power schools are generally running between 77-81 rides per year given.

[clenz]

Am I the only one who delays the "k" when I pronounce Dumask?

I don't do that. I just always force an N in there so it's Domansk. Can't get it out of my head. Never intentional. It's just something my brain can't comprehend not having the N

[DownGoesKansas]

Paveletzke to Ohio.

I'm not saying it's time to panic but it's also not not time to panic.

If that kid wasn't going P5 this is where he should have been. We quasi-recruited him out of HS, the connections we have at Iowa State and geography were all in our favor.

Everything is fine.

yikes. Might be rough

[SpanishMoon]

Ok, I am lose track. What player is coming back next year and what new player is coming in? How many scholarship do we have? I am worry so much about the team next year! edit: talking about basketball

[SpanishMoon]

I agree, some sort of state of the union speech would be helpful. Where are we? What are we doing? What is our strategy to get back to the top? Are currently set up to win a high level?

Feels like we are lost right now, and being left behind.

These are the questions the athletic director should be asking. If Jake has no plan then time to find a person who has a plan. And the plan makes sense and is achievable!

[OhNewby]

Paveletzke to Ohio.

I'm not saying it's time to panic but it's also not not time to panic.

If that kid wasn't going P5 this is where he should have been. We quasi-recruited him out of HS, the connections we have at Iowa State and geography were all in our favor.

Well, I was panicking last week about having only one kid signed, so now it's full panic mode. Like most people on here I can't tell who we're pursuing, but the lack of social media posts about us being on lists, is disturbing.

I think Drake signed 3 kids in the last 24 hours.

[SpanishMoon]

My cousin told me Coach Jacobson went on vacation, and other coaches are signing players?

[DownGoesKansas]

Well, I was panicking last week about having only one kid signed, so now it's full panic mode. Like most people on here I can't tell who we're pursuing, but the lack of social media posts about us being on lists, is disturbing.

I think Drake signed 3 kids in the last 24 hours.

They were all D2 kids right? We'd be in meltdown mode if that was the case

[clenz]

They were all D2 kids right? We'd be in meltdown mode if that was the case

All kids from NWMSU

[UNIpanther99]

Here's a rule proposal for basketball. If you accept a transfer from another institution outside of your conference, you must schedule a non-conference game at the school losing the player at some point in the next four seasons --- or buy out the game.

It doesn't hurt the kid - and at least gives the school losing the player something in return.

[Wxcpanther]

Here's a rule proposal for basketball. If you accept a transfer from another institution outside of your conference, you must schedule a non-conference game at the school losing the player at some point in the next four seasons --- or buy out the game.

It doesn't hurt the kid - and at least gives the school losing the player something in return.

I can't wait to play Mankato State next year

[ronfitch]

All kids from NWMSU

So, perhaps the next wave is not this ticky tacky one player, two player thing but rather signing an entire roster from another school. Each year, clean sweep.

Watch a group move up together from D2 to Mid Major to P5. Bundle in the coaches, managers and PA announcers, too.

[BCPanther]

Scholarship Chart Update:

Anderson, Hutson
Campbell, Courbat, Weisbrod
Pock, Taylor (Jacobson, Miller)
Hornseth, Rubin (Born)

4 Open Rides

[UNIpanther99]

I can't wait to play Mankato State next year

I would take a game at Mankato if it means the Cyclones are coming to the McLeod.