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[jnutt]

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how the hell is this worse than Delaware or Richmond or Iowa? Those were far worse. The offense never got out of first gear. They looked sloppy and played with no sense of urgency. The Lehigh Defense looked great and was constantly in the backfield. And those of you wanting Zach, who was it that got sacked on 3rd and 6 to make it 4th and 18?

Rennie did not look like he did a few weeks ago. He said he was "85-90%" after the game. Looked less than that.

Good news, Halgren is gone and sadly so is Thompson who got burnt on both TD's. This team just got punched in the mouth and hopefully that bitter taste will translate into a great offseason and even better next season

[run&blade]

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Rennie passed today like a high school kid in 1-A football, just chucking up prayers.

I don't think he can see over the line, his arm strength is poor.

They are going to have two stud RB's next year, they don't need another one under center.

Get a passing QB and move Rennie to a slot receiver.

[pantherfansince92]

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Get a passing QB and move Rennie to a slot receiver.

I agree with this. I believe DP Eyman came into the program as a quarterback and he turned out to be a decent receiver.

We need to be able to pass the ball so the opponent will have to worry about more than just our running game.

[CFBalla]

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Why didn't we run any rollouts for Rennie? We already knew he can't really throw from inside the pocket, and rollout passes have worked this season.

Frustrating offense. Great defense, except for Thompson. Kid had a great 1st half, but a poor 2nd half, pass defense-wise.

[run&blade]

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I thought Rennie rolled out a few times, problem with that is it makes playing defense way too easy when they only have to cover 1/2 the field.

When rolling out is the basis of your passing game you will lose against good teams, makes it too easy.

That is why in the NFL if you can't pass from the pocket and have the entire field available you will not be a QB.

[swarthmore]

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I thought Rennie rolled out a few times, problem with that is it makes playing defense way too easy when they only have to cover 1/2 the field.

When rolling out is the basis of your passing game you will lose against good teams, makes it too easy.

That is why in the NFL if you can't pass from the pocket and have the entire field available you will not be a QB.

I agree, but if he cannot pass out of the pocket, how can it not be better? Give him more roll-outs with a run-pass option.

[run&blade]

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I agree, but if he cannot pass out of the pocket, how can it not be better? Give him more roll-outs with a run-pass option.

Doesn't work against good teams, that is why they need a different option at QB. They don't need a RB at QB.

[swarthmore]

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Doesn't work against good teams, that is why they need a different option at QB. They don't need a RB at QB.

Does keeping him in the pocket work?
When you have a RB at QB, it makes less sense to keep him in the pocket imo.

I agree that a different option should be a priority.

[9YRPLAN]

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Rennie was an odd recruit for us. We certainly needed help at QB, and Tirrell is a great athlete. however, our years of success are highlighted by consistently being able to leverage our speed by consistently having a deep passing game. this in turn opened up the running game.

i just dont think we have the personnel to run the offense we tried to do this year.

[Big_Al]

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how the hell is this worse than Delaware or Richmond or Iowa? Those were far worse. The offense never got out of first gear. They looked sloppy and played with no sense of urgency. The Lehigh Defense looked great and was constantly in the backfield. And those of you wanting Zach, who was it that got sacked on 3rd and 6 to make it 4th and 18?

Putting Zach in really did no harm. TR clearly couldn't throw the long ball needed at that point in the game, so why not try Zach? The problem isn't TR or Zach. Rather, the problem is an O-line that couldn't keep the pressure off the QB. Folks, the problem this year wasn't a QB who isn't a great passing player but a line that simply couldn't protect a passing QB.

Rennie did not look like he did a few weeks ago. He said he was "85-90%" after the game. Looked less than that.

This x1000. I think his knee injury affected all parts of his game. Some of those throws he missed on today are ones he would have made a few weeks ago.

Good news, Halgren is gone and sadly so is Thompson who got burnt on both TD's. This team just got punched in the mouth and hopefully that bitter taste will translate into a great offseason and even better next season.

UNI needs a kicking coach. Bad. Also, we knew going into this game that the secondary was the defense's weakness and both TD plays proved that point in spades.

[UNI Panthers 2010]

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The problem isn't TR or Zach. Rather, the problem is an O-line that couldn't keep the pressure off the QB. Folks, the problem this year wasn't a QB who isn't a great passing player but a line that simply couldn't protect a passing QB.

This is dead on. There is no way that Zach Davis would have done a better job than Tirrell Rennie did today, in fact the game may have gotten worse had Zach been in there. The offensive line didn't provide enough time for Tirrell to make a good read. By the time he could have found somebody to throw to the pocket had already collapsed and he needed to escape.

Tirrell can be an effective passer in this system, just as Zach could be, if there was enough protection provided by the line. The entire game I don't know that I saw Lehigh rush more than 5 guys on passing plays and they were practically into the backfield before the ball was snapped. How could any QB have success when the defense is continually dropping 6-7 guys into coverage and you don't even have enough time for the routes to develop before you have to run for your life?

I am almost certain that the QB decision was made based on who could survive with that line protecting them rather than who can throw the ball better. People talking about the coaching staff making adjustments for Rennie's game or if only Zach Davis could run the system he learned are being ignorant of the fact that we can't do either of those things based on the offensive line in its current form. Hopefully with another year of experience on the line, the coaching could staff could start thinking about how to adjust to put the QB in a position to have success rather than thinking about how to keep them alive.

[sspray]

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Program going the wrong direction. Rennie is not a quality QB. Don't want my QB to be team's leading rusher. Leave that to the RBs. Yes, he can run, but terrible passer. 3 picks in a playoff game, you gotta be kidding me. How many times did he turn it over in the red zone this year? To lose to a team like Lehigh at home is inexcusable. I thought we got the shaft having to play a play-in game winning a conference like the Missouri Valley, but guess we didn't deserve a first round bye if we can't score more than 7 with our weapons or beat Lehigh.

[jnutt]

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Putting Zach in really did no harm. TR clearly couldn't throw the long ball needed at that point in the game, so why not try Zach? The problem isn't TR or Zach. Rather, the problem is an O-line that couldn't keep the pressure off the QB. Folks, the problem this year wasn't a QB who isn't a great passing player but a line that simply couldn't protect a passing QB.



This x1000. I think his knee injury affected all parts of his game. Some of those throws he missed on today are ones he would have made a few weeks ago.



UNI needs a kicking coach. Bad. Also, we knew going into this game that the secondary was the defense's weakness and both TD plays proved that point in spades.

we bring pressure on defense now and have all SOPHMORE DBs. I'm fine with giving up one or two big plays, that will happen in football. Rather go after the other QB and put some fear into him. Its our offense that failed. 14 points on a young secondary in the playoffs should be a win at home

[jnutt]

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Program going the wrong direction. Rennie is not a quality QB. Don't want my QB to be team's leading rusher. Leave that to the RBs. Yes, he can run, but terrible passer. 3 picks in a playoff game, you gotta be kidding me. How many times did he turn it over in the red zone this year? To lose to a team like Lehigh at home is inexcusable. I thought we got the shaft having to play a play-in game winning a conference like the Missouri Valley, but guess we didn't deserve a first round bye if we can't score more than 7 with our weapons or beat Lehigh.

give me a break. Seriously. He threw the ball VERY well starting with the SIU game. The passes against Missoura State were Sanders like. Rennie is perfect for FCS and the MVC. UNI will be the team to beat next year. He was NOT healthy tonight and had no grasp of the playbook early this year. Now that he has had a year at UNI and got the playbook, he'll be a force to reckon with next year.

[96' Alum]

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This is dead on. There is no way that Zach Davis would have done a better job than Tirrell Rennie did today, in fact the game may have gotten worse had Zach been in there. The offensive line didn't provide enough time for Tirrell to make a good read. By the time he could have found somebody to throw to the pocket had already collapsed and he needed to escape.

Tirrell can be an effective passer in this system, just as Zach could be, if there was enough protection provided by the line. The entire game I don't know that I saw Lehigh rush more than 5 guys on passing plays and they were practically into the backfield before the ball was snapped. How could any QB have success when the defense is continually dropping 6-7 guys into coverage and you don't even have enough time for the routes to develop before you have to run for your life?

I am almost certain that the QB decision was made based on who could survive with that line protecting them rather than who can throw the ball better. People talking about the coaching staff making adjustments for Rennie's game or if only Zach Davis could run the system he learned are being ignorant of the fact that we can't do either of those things based on the offensive line in its current form. Hopefully with another year of experience on the line, the coaching could staff could start thinking about how to adjust to put the QB in a position to have success rather than thinking about how to keep them alive.

While I agree that the o-line was as bad as it has been maybe since Farley took over, I think that the premise of this post is incorrect.

I think that Farley fell in love with the idea of a true option QB since we lost to App. State in the national championship game. The problem is that there has been NOTHING in the UNI playbook, going back to Mudra, and then TA and Farley that accentuates the option. We have been a pro style offense that relies on running the ball and the long pass. That goes back to Mike Smith, with Carl Boyd and Errol Peebles.

This fascination with an option QB who is an effective runner is fine. But they didn't build for this transition. Tirrell is a square peg in an offensive round hole that was successful simply because the MVFC was not a good league this year, and we had a stud fast defense.

If we are transitioning to this type of offense, that is fine. BUT you have to commit to it all the way. Bringing Davis in for strictly passing situations is absolutely ridiculous. Hedging your bets, even if it is just 5 % of the time, is still a recipe for disaster.

Every coach from Lombardi to Joe Pa has bad days. But the recurring theme of this staff is that the bad days always seem to come during the same time of the year. That can't be a coincidence.