Embarassing

[lehidude]

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...but guess we didn't deserve a first round bye if we can't score more than 7 with our weapons or beat Lehigh.

Do you think there's just a possibility that Lehigh was actually a good team? Sure, you guys had some chances here and there, but the Lehigh defense held you guys to your lowest point total since the Iowa State game!

A 44 yard field goal is by no means a chip shot, so please don't put all the blame on your all-time point scorer.

Lehigh had 2 bad early losses this season, but I imagine that even the biggest Lehigh detractor could cut them some slack by losing to the defending national champion in Villanova and a very good New Hampshire team coming off a tough loss. The Patriot League may not be the MVC, but there are no patsies, and taking a 7 game winning streak coming into this game says something to the ability of the Lehigh team.

As upset as you are with your team's effort, I think tipping your hat to Lehigh and looking forward to next year is the way to go. You didn't lose to an inferior team by any means.

[FargoPanther]

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Embarrassing? UNI is the laughing stock of the FCS right now! With NDSU taking care of business beating their playoff opponent 43 to 17 last night in the FargoDome, even some Bison fans expressed to me their disappointment in the conference champs. To defend the honor of the MVFC, lets hope the Bison and the Leathernecks go deep.

[jegbomb52]

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Oordt dropped a touchdown pass today from Rennie and Rennie's first int never, never, never should have been picked off, thats on Oordt, not only should a AA tight end be able to fight for the football and keep it from being picked, he also should have caught it. Also, Rennie threw a ball behind a runner today that if the WR turns around would have been a 40 yard gain. Balls are under thrown in the NFL all the time for huge gains, you simply have to turn around, its a luxury WR's have that DB's don't. Rennie didn't play well, but Rennie played well enough. We have such a weapon a QB, you guys don't even know. Our Oline cost us the game, doesn't matter who is behind them, Rennie, Davis, Sanders, Phat, doesn't matter. They are awful and cost us the game.

Troy Dannen should be fired. This game should have been a 7 pm kick off (8:00PM Lehigh time) not 12:00 (1:00PM kickoff time), guess when Lehigh plays their games? 1:00PM. Instead of making them un-comfortable we made us un-comfortable and them comfortable, and the crowd? Shame on your Dannen, noon? You are a joke.

[BisoninNWMN]

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Embarrassing? UNI is the laughing stock of the FCS right now! With NDSU taking care of business beating their playoff opponent 43 to 17 last night in the FargoDome, even some Bison fans expressed to me their disappointment in the conference champs. To defend the honor of the MVFC, lets hope the Bison and the Leathernecks go deep.

Embarassing?......Maybe

UNI is a very good program that will be fine next year. Sounds like the defense did its job (14 points at home) but the offense laid and egg.....sounds like the Bison this year.

Maybe some carry over from the lackluster performance at WIU.

Hats off to Lehigh, coming into the UNIDome and winning a playoff game.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Do you think there's just a possibility that Lehigh was actually a good team? Sure, you guys had some chances here and there, but the Lehigh defense held you guys to your lowest point total since the Iowa State game!

A 44 yard field goal is by no means a chip shot, so please don't put all the blame on your all-time point scorer.

Lehigh had 2 bad early losses this season, but I imagine that even the biggest Lehigh detractor could cut them some slack by losing to the defending national champion in Villanova and a very good New Hampshire team coming off a tough loss. The Patriot League may not be the MVC, but there are no patsies, and taking a 7 game winning streak coming into this game says something to the ability of the Lehigh team.

As upset as you are with your team's effort, I think tipping your hat to Lehigh and looking forward to next year is the way to go. You didn't lose to an inferior team by any means.

Lehigh deserved to win the game and deserves props for doing it on the road. But, they are hardly a scary opponent that deserves any more credit than already given to them. They played a good game against a bad team and won. UNI was hardly Delaware or even Western Illinois yesterday. Take your win and go away. Looking for love and slobber here ain't going to happen.

[BCPanther]

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Unfortunately with the way this year has been handled, Davis is damaged goods and IMO Rennie is not the guy. I would like to see Lanpher get a long hard look in the spring. His skills are what this offense has been based on for years...

[Panther-Sheik]

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While I agree that the o-line was as bad as it has been maybe since Farley took over, I think that the premise of this post is incorrect.

I think that Farley fell in love with the idea of a true option QB since we lost to App. State in the national championship game. The problem is that there has been NOTHING in the UNI playbook, going back to Mudra, and then TA and Farley that accentuates the option. We have been a pro style offense that relies on running the ball and the long pass. That goes back to Mike Smith, with Carl Boyd and Errol Peebles.

This fascination with an option QB who is an effective runner is fine. But they didn't build for this transition. Tirrell is a square peg in an offensive round hole that was successful simply because the MVFC was not a good league this year, and we had a stud fast defense.

If we are transitioning to this type of offense, that is fine. BUT you have to commit to it all the way. Bringing Davis in for strictly passing situations is absolutely ridiculous. Hedging your bets, even if it is just 5 % of the time, is still a recipe for disaster.

Every coach from Lombardi to Joe Pa has bad days. But the recurring theme of this staff is that the bad days always seem to come during the same time of the year. That can't be a coincidence.

I agree with almost none of this post. Appy St. didn't have a "true option" QB when we played them and Farley has no infatuation with UNI having one. We also don't run a pro-style offense. We have changed our offense dramatically over the years from the days of TA (split backs, QB under center). We have, however, always relied on the big play. The problem with that is if you don't connect you don't have a stable offense that can pound the ball down the field with consistency. Eventually, D-coord's figure out how to stop your big plays and your offense becomes dead in the water. Salmon's calls have abslutely no continuity and are completely without imagination. We ran the speed option 3 times yesterday...3!! Are we an option team?? I don't know, since we ran it 3 times. The option is meant to make the end choose between the QB and the pitch man. We ran it with 3 - 4 yard success each time, and with the end covering the pitch each time. Then we never ran it again. You have to use that play to set up another (a pitch, a step back pass, a reverse etc.). What did that play set up? A drop back pass? We ran a dive to Carlos or Strathman many times. What did that set up? A drop back pass? Our o-line was not good this year, but they were also never made to develop an identity. We weren't a smash mouth running team, we weren't an option team, we certainly weren't a drop back passing team. With a young o-line they needed to know who they were from early on and try to get better at it. They looked more confused at the end of the season than the start. Also, Lehigh is blitzing all day. They schemed us very well and knew our o-line was succeptible. But, as an o-coord you have to make them pay for this. How? You run screen passes, misdirection, quick routes to where a LB has vacated etc. You don't run the long developing, 15 - 20 yard routes that we ran ALL DAY. I heard people around me clammoring for Rennie to throw the ball all day. Watch the tape, people. There was nobody open because they were all still in their frickin routes when Rennie was having to scramble for his life. Bottom line is that our play calling looks like it is all scripted before the game and is not adapted to the actual game or the situations. We got owned by the Illinois St. d-coord last year on the final game, the WIU d-coord last week and the Lehigh d-coord this week.

[UnderParPanther]

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Unfortunately with the way this year has been handled, Davis is damaged goods and IMO Rennie is not the guy. I would like to see Lanpher get a long hard look in the spring. His skills are what this offense has been based on for years...

oh come on, if rennie was 75% yesterday i'd be shocked....for the most part played pretty well all season....our play calling is so predictable i wonder if we'd be better off drawing plays out of a hat. for the last 5 years it seems like anything we do that almost works and most teams come back to at some point our coaches think it didn't work so we shouldn't call that again.

i'll never see the game film, but it certainly seemed that lehigh blitzed every single play in the 2nd half and 99% of those blitzes my 8month old could see coming prior to a snap and there were no quick hot routes or dumps to keep that in check.

it's like our coaches have such big ego's that they refuse to make any adjustments what so ever, its like "this is what we are going to do and if you can stop us you can beat us, but we're doing it this way"


and that trick play on 4th down woulda been a good 3rd down play when the world doesnt see it coming....


on a lighter note

jake koch looked great in the 2nd half and aj is def a scorer...on to basketball

it would be sweet to host the 1st rd of volleyball too

[Panther-Sheik]

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oh come on, if rennie was 75% yesterday i'd be shocked....for the most part played pretty well all season....our play calling is so predictable i wonder if we'd be better off drawing plays out of a hat. for the last 5 years it seems like anything we do that almost works and most teams come back to at some point our coaches think it didn't work so we shouldn't call that again.

i'll never see the game film, but it certainly seemed that lehigh blitzed every single play in the 2nd half and 99% of those blitzes my 8month old could see coming prior to a snap and there were no quick hot routes or dumps to keep that in check.

it's like our coaches have such big ego's that they refuse to make any adjustments what so ever, its like "this is what we are going to do and if you can stop us you can beat us, but we're doing it this way"


and that trick play on 4th down woulda been a good 3rd down play when the world doesnt see it coming....


on a lighter note

jake koch looked great in the 2nd half and aj is def a scorer...on to basketball

it would be sweet to host the 1st rd of volleyball too

Great post. This is exactly how I see it, too. We are consistently out coached on offense. Late season we should be getting better, but in actuality we are only getting more predictable to our opponents d-coordinators. Result: owned!

[olivestreet95]

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Rennie was an odd recruit for us. We certainly needed help at QB, and Tirrell is a great athlete. however, our years of success are highlighted by consistently being able to leverage our speed by consistently having a deep passing game. this in turn opened up the running game.

i just dont think we have the personnel to run the offense we tried to do this year.

I completely agree with this. The deep ball early and often has always been a UNI tradition.

[Panther-Sheik]

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I completely agree with this. The deep ball early and often has always been a UNI tradition.

It has always been what has bailed Willie out over the years. But is exactly this that has always caused UNI to come up short. Big plays don't make championship teams. Controling a game from start to finish, all season long, is what makes championship teams. Because we had offenses that have always struck quickly with the big play has been as much our downfall as our success.

[re17282]

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Oordt dropped a touchdown pass today from Rennie and Rennie's first int never, never, never should have been picked off, thats on Oordt, not only should a AA tight end be able to fight for the football and keep it from being picked, he also should have caught it. Also, Rennie threw a ball behind a runner today that if the WR turns around would have been a 40 yard gain. Balls are under thrown in the NFL all the time for huge gains, you simply have to turn around, its a luxury WR's have that DB's don't. Rennie didn't play well, but Rennie played well enough. We have such a weapon a QB, you guys don't even know. Our Oline cost us the game, doesn't matter who is behind them, Rennie, Davis, Sanders, Phat, doesn't matter. They are awful and cost us the game. .

Why can't family members learn and just stay off the boards,, Let Rennie take a little blame for his poor performance and know we all appreciate what your Brother/cousin/best friend did for the team this year

[9YRPLAN]

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Oordt dropped a touchdown pass today from Rennie and Rennie's first int never, never, never should have been picked off, thats on Oordt, not only should a AA tight end be able to fight for the football and keep it from being picked, he also should have caught it. Also, Rennie threw a ball behind a runner today that if the WR turns around would have been a 40 yard gain. Balls are under thrown in the NFL all the time for huge gains, you simply have to turn around, its a luxury WR's have that DB's don't. Rennie didn't play well, but Rennie played well enough. We have such a weapon a QB, you guys don't even know. Our Oline cost us the game, doesn't matter who is behind them, Rennie, Davis, Sanders, Phat, doesn't matter. They are awful and cost us the game.

Troy Dannen should be fired. This game should have been a 7 pm kick off (8:00PM Lehigh time) not 12:00 (1:00PM kickoff time), guess when Lehigh plays their games? 1:00PM. Instead of making them un-comfortable we made us un-comfortable and them comfortable, and the crowd? Shame on your Dannen, noon? You are a joke.

do we even have the staff and facilities to support simultaneously football and basketball games? we certainly do not have the fans to support both. you cant tell a road basketball team that we are simply changing the game time.

[9YRPLAN]

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It has always been what has bailed Willie out over the years. But is exactly this that has always caused UNI to come up short. Big plays don't make championship teams. Controling a game from start to finish, all season long, is what makes championship teams. Because we had offenses that have always struck quickly with the big play has been as much our downfall as our success.

but the THREAT of the deep ball affects defensive gameplans...that threat really wasnt there this year. hopefully a year plus an offseason in the structure of FCS and our system will improve Rennie's skill set.

[olivestreet95]

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It has always been what has bailed Willie out over the years. But is exactly this that has always caused UNI to come up short. Big plays don't make championship teams. Controling a game from start to finish, all season long, is what makes championship teams. Because we had offenses that have always struck quickly with the big play has been as much our downfall as our success.

But.......the ability to go deep when defenses know we can go deep anytime we want opens up the field for our entire offense......Big plays may not always win Championships but they sure as hell get you there and typically will allow us to score more than 7 points at home during a first round playoff game......a balanced attack will win championships but not having the ability to accurately and sometimes consistently go deep does hurt us as a team. I could completely be off base with this and I am sure someone will look it up but I bet we had less than 6 big strike pass plays all year (45+ yards).....