Embarassing

[houndawg]

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give me a break. Seriously. He threw the ball VERY well starting with the SIU game. The passes against Missoura State were Sanders like. Rennie is perfect for FCS and the MVC. UNI will be the team to beat next year. He was NOT healthy tonight and had no grasp of the playbook early this year. Now that he has had a year at UNI and got the playbook, he'll be a force to reckon with next year.

You must not have gone to the game. He was 7/15 for 87 yds and 1 pick. Long of 30.

[jegbomb52]

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do we even have the staff and facilities to support simultaneously football and basketball games? we certainly do not have the fans to support both. you cant tell a road basketball team that we are simply changing the game time.

Football is priority number one and should have been accomodated. If you have to do a noon tip on Sunday between the Sioux and Panthers so be it. If you have to do a noon tip on Saturday between the Sioux and Panthers so be it. Wasn't the game time changed for basketball anyway due to the football game? Wasn't it supposed to be earlier? Poor decision making by administration. You don't "throw" football in where it works, you make football work, then let everything else fall where it may.

[jegbomb52]

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Why can't family members learn and just stay off the boards,, Let Rennie take a little blame for his poor performance and know we all appreciate what your Brother/cousin/best friend did for the team this year

Did you quote the wrong post or something? I understand that about 1/2 of a percent of the fans that watch a football game watch anything other than the ball but as one of the 1/2 percent that watches other parts of the game you need to know that this football game was lost on the offensive line and poor special teams. I have zero, zip, zilch ties to anyone that plays on this football team. Rennie did not play well at all, Rennie did not have a very good chance to do so either. Neither would have Davis. Davis got his shot, the result was very similar to Rennie, a sack, a short gain, and a bull **** play call by a poor OC.

[95UNIGRAD]

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Just awful.

Rennie was awful. The offensive line was awful. Farley's game management was just awful. Billy was awful as usual.

You forgot "the lack of crowd in the east stands was awful", but you're 100% correct about the rest. This wasn't as bad as the lost to Western, but it's definitely #2 on the list this year.

Wow, just wow on the complete lack of heart our entire offense showed yesterday. They should apologize to the defense for that one.

[TravelingPanther]

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Why can't family members learn and just stay off the boards,, Let Rennie take a little blame for his poor performance and know we all appreciate what your Brother/cousin/best friend did for the team this year

Since jeg has been a poster much longer than Rennie has been here....

Apparently Rennie has a lot of friends and family that have been on this board for years, because most of us think he did the best whe could with what he was given.

[06panther10]

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While I agree that the o-line was as bad as it has been maybe since Farley took over, I think that the premise of this post is incorrect.

I think that Farley fell in love with the idea of a true option QB since we lost to App. State in the national championship game. The problem is that there has been NOTHING in the UNI playbook, going back to Mudra, and then TA and Farley that accentuates the option. We have been a pro style offense that relies on running the ball and the long pass. That goes back to Mike Smith, with Carl Boyd and Errol Peebles.

This fascination with an option QB who is an effective runner is fine. But they didn't build for this transition. Tirrell is a square peg in an offensive round hole that was successful simply because the MVFC was not a good league this year, and we had a stud fast defense.

If we are transitioning to this type of offense, that is fine. BUT you have to commit to it all the way. Bringing Davis in for strictly passing situations is absolutely ridiculous. Hedging your bets, even if it is just 5 % of the time, is still a recipe for disaster.

Every coach from Lombardi to Joe Pa has bad days. But the recurring theme of this staff is that the bad days always seem to come during the same time of the year. That can't be a coincidence.

Farley fell in love with an "option QB" because we lost to App St? So he waited 5 years to make a switch? Um ok... And Tirrell is not a "pure option QB" anyway.

And we do not, and have not run a "pro style" offense for a very very long time.

[Anne Frank]

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Oordt dropped a touchdown pass today from Rennie and Rennie's first int never, never, never should have been picked off, thats on Oordt, not only should a AA tight end be able to fight for the football and keep it from being picked, he also should have caught it. Also, Rennie threw a ball behind a runner today that if the WR turns around would have been a 40 yard gain. Balls are under thrown in the NFL all the time for huge gains, you simply have to turn around, its a luxury WR's have that DB's don't. Rennie didn't play well, but Rennie played well enough. We have such a weapon a QB, you guys don't even know. Our Oline cost us the game, doesn't matter who is behind them, Rennie, Davis, Sanders, Phat, doesn't matter. They are awful and cost us the game.

Troy Dannen should be fired. This game should have been a 7 pm kick off (8:00PM Lehigh time) not 12:00 (1:00PM kickoff time), guess when Lehigh plays their games? 1:00PM. Instead of making them un-comfortable we made us un-comfortable and them comfortable, and the crowd? Shame on your Dannen, noon? You are a joke.

Dannen also had to fit in the conference VB championships that were set for TV, and a men's basketball game. MAYBE he could have switched up some the FB and MBB game, but maybe he couldn't if teams didn't want to do that. Maybe Dannen should be blamed for losing the FB game, too? Come on.

[Anne Frank]

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I agree with almost none of this post. Appy St. didn't have a "true option" QB when we played them and Farley has no infatuation with UNI having one. We also don't run a pro-style offense. We have changed our offense dramatically over the years from the days of TA (split backs, QB under center). We have, however, always relied on the big play. The problem with that is if you don't connect you don't have a stable offense that can pound the ball down the field with consistency. Eventually, D-coord's figure out how to stop your big plays and your offense becomes dead in the water. Salmon's calls have abslutely no continuity and are completely without imagination. We ran the speed option 3 times yesterday...3!! Are we an option team?? I don't know, since we ran it 3 times. The option is meant to make the end choose between the QB and the pitch man. We ran it with 3 - 4 yard success each time, and with the end covering the pitch each time. Then we never ran it again. You have to use that play to set up another (a pitch, a step back pass, a reverse etc.). What did that play set up? A drop back pass? We ran a dive to Carlos or Strathman many times. What did that set up? A drop back pass? Our o-line was not good this year, but they were also never made to develop an identity. We weren't a smash mouth running team, we weren't an option team, we certainly weren't a drop back passing team. With a young o-line they needed to know who they were from early on and try to get better at it. They looked more confused at the end of the season than the start. Also, Lehigh is blitzing all day. They schemed us very well and knew our o-line was succeptible. But, as an o-coord you have to make them pay for this. How? You run screen passes, misdirection, quick routes to where a LB has vacated etc. You don't run the long developing, 15 - 20 yard routes that we ran ALL DAY. I heard people around me clammoring for Rennie to throw the ball all day. Watch the tape, people. There was nobody open because they were all still in their frickin routes when Rennie was having to scramble for his life. Bottom line is that our play calling looks like it is all scripted before the game and is not adapted to the actual game or the situations. We got owned by the Illinois St. d-coord last year on the final game, the WIU d-coord last week and the Lehigh d-coord this week.

Well said.

[Anne Frank]

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oh come on, if rennie was 75% yesterday i'd be shocked....for the most part played pretty well all season....our play calling is so predictable i wonder if we'd be better off drawing plays out of a hat. For the last 5 years it seems like anything we do that almost works and most teams come back to at some point our coaches think it didn't work so we shouldn't call that again.

I'll never see the game film, but it certainly seemed that lehigh blitzed every single play in the 2nd half and 99% of those blitzes my 8month old could see coming prior to a snap and there were no quick hot routes or dumps to keep that in check.

It's like our coaches have such big ego's that they refuse to make any adjustments what so ever, its like "this is what we are going to do and if you can stop us you can beat us, but we're doing it this way"


and that trick play on 4th down woulda been a good 3rd down play when the world doesnt see it coming....


On a lighter note

jake koch looked great in the 2nd half and aj is def a scorer...on to basketball

it would be sweet to host the 1st rd of volleyball too

go panthers!

[Anne Frank]

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Football is priority number one and should have been accomodated. If you have to do a noon tip on Sunday between the Sioux and Panthers so be it. If you have to do a noon tip on Saturday between the Sioux and Panthers so be it. Wasn't the game time changed for basketball anyway due to the football game? Wasn't it supposed to be earlier? Poor decision making by administration. You don't "throw" football in where it works, you make football work, then let everything else fall where it may.

In the future scheme of things, football is not priority no. 1. And I believe MBB always was scheduled for 8 p.m. I may be wrong.

[96' Alum]

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Oordt dropped a touchdown pass today from Rennie and Rennie's first int never, never, never should have been picked off, thats on Oordt, not only should a AA tight end be able to fight for the football and keep it from being picked, he also should have caught it. Also, Rennie threw a ball behind a runner today that if the WR turns around would have been a 40 yard gain. Balls are under thrown in the NFL all the time for huge gains, you simply have to turn around, its a luxury WR's have that DB's don't. Rennie didn't play well, but Rennie played well enough. We have such a weapon a QB, you guys don't even know. Our Oline cost us the game, doesn't matter who is behind them, Rennie, Davis, Sanders, Phat, doesn't matter. They are awful and cost us the game.

Troy Dannen should be fired. This game should have been a 7 pm kick off (8:00PM Lehigh time) not 12:00 (1:00PM kickoff time), guess when Lehigh plays their games? 1:00PM. Instead of making them un-comfortable we made us un-comfortable and them comfortable, and the crowd? Shame on your Dannen, noon? You are a joke.

Wow, over react much? Fire Dannen? What a ridiculous statement.

Talent wise, we shouldn't have lost this game. The defense played just fine. The problem is that "weapon" you speak of had a lousy game. Not all of it was his fault, but to say that he is blameless in this debacle is wrong.

You do realize that they had already scheduled a basketball game during the evening, right? You realize that the last two weeks of the season this team barely bothered to show up, right?

Noon had nothing to do with the loss.

It is amazing how polarizing the QB position is on this board. If you were a Davis guy, Rennie did nothing right. If you are a Rennie guy, Davis is picked apart. It's like people can't admit that both of them have limitations because they have painted themselves into a corner on this topic.

Sheik, you know that Sanders was a Soph when we went to Chattanooga, and locked into the starter's job for two years. Then Grace was the heir apparent for the next two. They started the shift of commiting to the zone read more with Grace, especially his first year as a starter. Just because Rennie is the first true running QB we have had since that time (no offense to Sanders and Grace for their rushing yards, but they still offered a real passing threat) doesn't mean that it has not been transitioning since then.

I have no problem with the change, it seems to be the way now in college football. But if you are going to make that shift, then truly commit to it.

[jegbomb52]

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In the future scheme of things, football is not priority no. 1. And I believe MBB always was scheduled for 8 p.m. I may be wrong.

Home playoff football games are of higher priority than basketball games against transition schools.

[jegbomb52]

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Wow, over react much? Fire Dannen? What a ridiculous statement.

Talent wise, we shouldn't have lost this game. The defense played just fine. The problem is that "weapon" you speak of had a lousy game. Not all of it was his fault, but to say that he is blameless in this debacle is wrong.

You do realize that they had already scheduled a basketball game during the evening, right? You realize that the last two weeks of the season this team barely bothered to show up, right?

Noon had nothing to do with the loss.

We do not lose to Lehigh yesterday if there are 13,000 people in the dome. I bet our guys got real jacked up when they ran out of the tunnel 4 hours after their alarm went off only to see 1,500 people sitting on the East side of the stadium. This was poor planning, and thats on Dannen, there are many things to blame this game on, Dannen is not "to blame" but he played a part in the debacle yesterday. If you think a noon kickoff had nothing to do with performance / attendence you know nothing about football. How many games kicked off this year before 2:00PM? 2. WIU, and Lehigh. Hmmm?

[06panther10]

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We do not lose to Lehigh yesterday if there are 13,000 people in the dome. I bet our guys got real jacked up when they ran out of the tunnel 4 hours after their alarm went off only to see 1,500 people sitting on the East side of the stadium. This was poor planning, and thats on Dannen, there are many things to blame this game on, Dannen is not "to blame" but he played a part in the debacle yesterday. If you think a noon kickoff had nothing to do with performance / attendence you know nothing about football. How many games kicked off this year before 2:00PM? 2. WIU, and Lehigh. Hmmm?

When would you kick off then Jeg? Seriously, are you gonna have the game at the exact time as the V-ball championship? You gonna have it at the same time as the basketball game? Those two events really could not be moved.

I really doubt that Dannen wanted the kick to be at noon. He really didn't have much of a choice.

[ubuntuCAT]

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When would you kick off then Jeg? Seriously, are you gonna have the game at the exact time as the V-ball championship? You gonna have it at the same time as the basketball game? Those two events really could not be moved.

I really doubt that Dannen wanted the kick to be at noon. He really didn't have much of a choice.

What would have been the problem with a 4PM kick like all other games? Like it would matter that there are 2,000 ppl at the Volleyball game at the same time.