Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

So you agree with bringing both EC and JE off the bench? Doesn't one of thsoe two have to start?

Nope, I said I'd be fine with JE off the bench, and I'm fine with Coleman off of the bench.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I would also be fine with starting O'Rear in place of Koch, Coleman in place of Koch, Koch in place of JE, JE in Koch's spot, etc. We have 4 big men who are forces, and if Jake, who has spent countless hours with these guys, wants to put together his startling lineup minus Coleman, as long as the team is successful, then so be it.

[UNIPNTHR]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Eric Coleman and Grant Stout played too many minutes.

I will make a blatant attempt to make an inference from your post, based on your statement "if it's not broke, don't fix it." Make sure I have it right.

-What was broken was the number of minutes, not the fact that he was starting.

-What should have been fixed was the number of minutes, not the fact that he was starting and shouldn't be.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

If not starting him keeps his minutes down, and eliminates early fouls in the first 4 minutes of play where everything is sped up a half of a step, it's fine with me.

[UNIPNTHR]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

If not starting him keeps his minutes down, and eliminates early fouls in the first 4 minutes of play where everything is sped up a half of a step, it's fine with me.

Olay!

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Olay!

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

You're welcome to attack my opinions, as long as we all remember two things. First, this is a message board. Your opinion about EC not starting is going to just as little for that cause as my campaign against JE not getting chewed out all the time will. Second, we are all Panther fans, and no matter who you think is right or wrong, I respect every one of your opinions because of those two colors that we all wear to Hudson Rd.
That being said, if you can provide some stats that prove EC is more productive starting than off the bench, I'll gladly ask you to pass the salt for my crow.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Two nights ago, he had 12 points, 10 rebounds, and played only 19 minutes.

My point is, less minutes, just as much production, and I'm willing to sacrifice his minutes right now for more quality minutes down the road in St. Louis.

That's one game. Look at his season stats. His production is not the same. It may be spread over a few other players now (Jordan, Koch) but Coleman's production numbers are not the same, his points, rebounds, and minutes are down from last year.

And have you ever thought of a future in politics? You sound like Hillary trying to answer a question (I kid, I kid, sort of ).

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I'm still waiting on why him starting is broken and needed to be fixed. But I'm out of salt at my apartment. You'd think between 4 guys we would have enough money for salt, but sadly our apartment is deathly low on money these days

[UNIPNTHR]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

You're welcome to attack my opinions...

I'm not attacking you or your opinions. I was just trying to ask you a question... and I felt that it went unanswered.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

That's one game. Look at his season stats. His production is not the same. It may be spread over a few other players now (Jordan, Koch) but Coleman's production numbers are not the same, his points, rebounds, and minutes are down from last year.

Two things: First, I have beaten this horse pretty well, so I'll just leave it at this. If you were at the MVC game against Bradley last March, you saw how fatigued this team was. If Jordan and Koch step in and produce enough to make up for Stout and the slight (and by slight, I mean 1.6 points/game and 1.9 rebounds), which they have, and Eric Coleman, JE, and Koch are fresh in March when Josten will be a step slower from all the minutes he's played (averaging 33.1 this year), I have no complaints.
Second: If our best player is willing to put aside his personal recognition for what his coach believes is the best for this team, what does that say about this team? Unselfish is the first word that comes to my mind. Kobe and the Lakers, Gilbert (last year) and the Wiz, Kansas a couple of years ago, and a hundred other examples could use an attitude like EC's "I'll do what's best for the team." Like I said, if this experiment backfires, and we end up sitting at 5-8 in the valley after 13 games, I'll be leading the mob that is screaming for Coleman to be in the starting line-up.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I'm still waiting on why him starting is broken and needed to be fixed. But I'm out of salt at my apartment. You'd think between 4 guys we would have enough money for salt, but sadly our apartment is deathly low on money these days

Are you just skipping over the parts of my posts where I address this, or what? Take your time reading through these.....

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I've read that it wasn't him starting that wasn't broke, it was his minutes. So why "fix" him starting? Why not just fix his minute situation?

Oh well I guess I don't know enough to understand that.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

If our best player is willing to put aside his personal recognition for what his coach believes is the best for this team, what does that say about this team? Unselfish is the first word that comes to my mind.

I agree, it shows great character out of Coleman, but then again, he really doesn't have a choice. He's made a few comments that show he obviously doesn't LIKE this decision, but he's riding it out.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Oh well I guess I don't know enough to understand that.

You don't have to act like a junior high kid pouting. I've tried to explain my rationale, and if after everything I've posted, you can't see where I'm coming from, that's your deal.
Basically my point is that this post has been here for two weeks, and Jake (as he should) has paid absolutely no attention to the fans screaming for line-up changes. It's his team, and he will either take the blame for this season or credit the players in March after a successful season. As a fan on a message board, there are no ramifications for you if he doesn't start Coleman, other than we all get to pi$$ and moan about our own opinion.