Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I have yet to see a "real reason" other than speculation that it is something off court.

But by the logic you said with getting better brining players off the bench, we should have an advantage if we do that.

[PantherFan]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

If Coleman isn't starting because of some off-court issue, it must be something big to keep him on the bench since the Thailand trip.

I don't think that is it. I think it is a misguided coaching decision.

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

You think I'm wrong, I think your wrong.

I've read the entire post more than once. I just like pissing people off because it is so easy to do here. Everyone is so willing to back every move Jake makes. You said it yourself panthers2317, you would back Farley if he started DP over Sanders. That isn't trusting a coach, that is blindly following.

Do you not think that we could have had that SAME F-ING PRODUCTIONG FROM BOTH PLAYERS WITH COLEMAN STARTING?

I hope Hansburough stays at UNC for his SR season and gets benched. I want to see the reaction the most die-hard fans react. Wait they are fans they don't know sh-- about basketball right? Thats what I was told; I don't know anything about basketball because I don't have a masters and all that garbage. I want to see how the basketball experts would react to that.

I'm not complaining about starting the season with 10 wins, but I am complaining that there are moves being made that aren't good moves. The offense isn't getting changed and it needs too. I'm complaining because we shouldn't have gotten beat by 20 God damn points by Ind. St. We shouldn't have lost to Iowa. We got out coached that game, badly.

What do you think if we lose tomorrow night? What would you think about Jake's offense if we ended the season .500 in conference and lose the first round of the tourny again? What do we blame that on? It can't be Coleman starting and logging to many minutes (which was blamed last year).

I hope that doesn't happen but what does it take for you to go, "Maybe not every move Jake makes is a god move?"

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Do you not think that we could have had that SAME F-ING PRODUCTIONG FROM BOTH PLAYERS WITH COLEMAN STARTING?

By golly I think you might finally have stumbled onto what people are saying, although you still don't apparently get it.

NO. I DON'T F-ING THINK WE WOULD BE GETTING THE SAME PRODUCTION FROM BOTH PLAYERS WITH COLEMAN STARTING.

I think we might get 1.5 more points and maybe another rebound from Coleman, but we would not see the same production from Eglseder or anywhere close to it. In fact I think there might be games where big Jordan would not even see the floor if the starting line-up were different. Even to the point where we might not see him next year because he might get frustrated with not being utilized and say maybe I should have gone to a school that wants to use a 7 footer and be gone.
But hey, that would be fine, because we started a one-dimensional senior because he was a senior and who cares about the future anyways. Heck, why not start both of our one-dimensional seniors and get Viet out there as well. Great coaching, just play upperclassmen and forget about building a long-term program. Worked great two years ago, except this year we don't have enough quality non-conference wins and the Valley isn't weak enough for us to build enough early to hold on for a bid.

No, this year is about building and actually winning ball games in February and March, instead of limping and gasping to the end.

I'm not blindly following the coach, I wish he would turn the offense loose a little. Let the guys take more outside shots, especially when our posts are being fronted, crash the offensive glass with four guys and get some putbacks. Try to score quickly a few times down the court just to catch the opponents off-guard. Gee, if we shoot in the first 15 seconds a few times some teams may have to call timeout just to figure out if they're playing the right team.

But as for starting the line-up we are, other than going back to Montgomery over Brown, I like it just the way it is.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Wow, now we aren't stating EC because he's too one-dimensional?

The longer this goes on the more absurd both sides are getting. Maybe the thread should just be put out of it's misery.

[BCPanther]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

The offense isn't getting changed and it needs too.

I know I am picking a small statement out of a big post...

So the philosophy should be that if it doesn't bring instant results we have to change it immediately. Hate to break this to you but it is the EXACT SAME offense that took us to three straight tournaments. The set plays are the same, the motion is the same, the only difference is that Jake has actually given MORE freedom within the offense to the team as a whole than Mac did. And I believe that is the same thing that you are all clamoring for...

I completely agree with where 2317 is coming from. I can't think of anything that is more overrated than who starts a basketball game. Also look at the production from all 4 big guys. Three of the top 5 in the Valley in rebounding, Jordan is good for almost a double double every night, Koch's offensive game is starting to show, O'Rear is showing flashes of what he is eventually going to be (See Dan Muller from Illinois State in the mid 90s)...

As far as Coleman he is getting more production in less minutes and has the ability to dominate down the stretch which is something that he has NEVER done since getting to campus. Remember two years ago when he sat long stretches in crunch time because he couldn't bring any intensity to the floor because he was gassed.

Jake learned a lot the last three years. All three teams absolutely DIED down the stretch. That is not going to happen this year, we are going to be peaking come February and March, rather than trying to figure out why the sky is falling...

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

So because something worked in the past it will work now?

I realize this is a tad extreme but if Nebraska and Notre Dame went back to the Power I/Wish bone triple option because it worked in that past it will work now? I get that there are a lot of teams going to the option but the wish bone isn't the way to do it anymore.

I just don't like a standing offense. I've been told Veit is one of the best pure shooters people have ever seen. Well he has had his chances to get pure standing shots off and it isn't working. Maybe getting some cuts and shots off the screens or cuts will work to help out shooters. A Broke Back game to quote Phil Jackson if you will.

[BCPanther]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Yes, it will...

There are many offenses in basketball that have stood the test of time without much tweaking. Bobby Knight's Motion and The Princeton Spread were originated 30-40 years ago and they are still producing, regardless of which players are running it...

The reason we are struggling is pretty simple, open shots aren't going in. If we were hitting open shots we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

BTW, and this is not directed at you clenz... If I hear one more person talk about what a great 'pure shooter' Adam Viet is I am going to scream. You can hit 95% of your threes in practice, but if it doesn't carry over to the game what good is it?? He is 6 of 20 from behind the arc this year for a whopping 30%. He is looking up at Jordan Eglseder in 3pt Shooting Percentage...

And just so everyone knows 'Trigger Happy' Jon Montgomery is shooting 42% and leading the team...

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Yes, it will...

There are many offenses in basketball that have stood the test of time without much tweaking. Bobby Knight's Motion and The Princeton Spread were originated 30-40 years ago and they are still producing, regardless of which players are running it...

The reason we are struggling is pretty simple, open shots aren't going in. If we were hitting open shots we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

BTW, and this is not directed at you clenz... If I hear one more person talk about what a great 'pure shooter' Adam Viet is I am going to scream. You can hit 95% of your threes in practice, but if it doesn't carry over to the game what good is it?? He is 6 of 20 from behind the arc this year for a whopping 30%. He is looking up at Jordan Eglseder in 3pt Shooting Percentage...

And just so everyone knows 'Trigger Happy' Jon Montgomery is shooting 42% and leading the team...

Notice what kind of offenses you said have stood that long. Motion style movement based offense. I don't think an offense based on standing around the three point line and passing the ball back and forth will stop working once teams get used to it, which I think they are. Motion offenses are hard to defend because there are so many things to do out of them.

But again I'm wrong because I'm not the coach. But it is how I feel

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Also if you think Notre Dame going back to the wish bone will help them, YOUR CRAZY.

Althought it can't hurt them. They do suck....haha couldn't avoid a ND bash much longer

[Back2BackCats]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I think you have to be able to adapt to your team. We are running the same offense but we do not appear to have that one player that can create his own shot late in the clock like Benny or even Crawford were able to do we simply launch one from behind the arc. I would like to see some more motion it seems to be working for Drake and InSU and I believe we have the same type of talent. InSU kept moving until we either doubled or got lost and then they found the open man and the other night they didn't miss.

[Matt Trump]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

So the philosophy should be that if it doesn't bring instant results we have to change it immediately. Hate to break this to you but it is the EXACT SAME offense that took us to three straight tournaments. The set plays are the same, the motion is the same, the only difference is that Jake has actually given MORE freedom within the offense to the team as a whole than Mac did. And I believe that is the same thing that you are all clamoring for...

The offensive system might be the same but the execution is no where close. B2Bcats hit the nail on the head.

[Deke3]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I want Clenz to start coaching.

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I want Clenz to start coaching.

I don't. You wouldn't like the way I would run things. First off Coleman would start. That would piss a lot of posters here off.

[UNIPNTHR]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I think you have to be able to adapt to your team. We are running the same offense but we do not appear to have that one player that can create his own shot late in the clock like Benny or even Crawford were able to do we simply launch one from behind the arc.

Just because we had Benny J to create when the clock got under 10 didn't make it right. That was still a sickening offense to watch: passing around the perimeter, standing around, until Ben hurls up a contested fade away. Two wrongs and luck don't equal right.