Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

That's a wonderful observation MadCat.

How bout this versus Indiana State:

Coleman in game: ISU 47 UNI 25
Coleman on bench: ISU 27 UNI 31

Against Illinois State, EC had 1/3 of the teams turnovers in 19 minutes for a total of 5. He also had 3 fouls (only Montgomery, who fouled out while guarding they're best player had more). He took 2 shots (made 1) and 4 free throws (also only made 1).

Anyone who has watched UNI over the years knows that Coleman has a tendency to play some games where he just never removes the cranium from the sphincter, and no amount of additional playing time is going to fix it. Last night night was clearly one of those nights. Jake went with the players down the stretch that were into it and they nearly pulled out a miracle, hopefully Eric will come out ready for Bradley, and even more so against Creighton. We must protect our homecourt.

I disagree. When you are "worried" about your playing time, you do everything you can to make every minute "count". That usually leads to looking over your shoulder, pressing and making mistakes. Coleman deserves to be in the game (notice I didn't say start...that is a different topic). Until EC plays a few games that we can directly pin on him causing a loss, I think he needs to given the benefit of the doubt from the staff and fans or his confidence will desolve and we will turn him into a true "reserve" instead of a starter who comes in at the media timeout.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Jake went with the players down the stretch that were into it and they nearly pulled out a miracle, hopefully Eric will come out ready for Bradley, and even more so against Creighton. We must protect our homecourt.

A "miracle"? Come on. Have we really resorted to calling a win at Illinois State a miracle? I don't care how much we were down in the game, we have the talent to beat them and the score never should've been as bad as it was.

Again, many of us are stretching for excuses here. We have many things wrong with this team at the moment in my opinion. We're too inconsistent.

[FerociousCat]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Down 18 with 7:31 to play and going on a 17-0 run is a miracle no matter who the opponent is!!!

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Nope. We do this WAY too often for me to get excited about it any more. I'm done giving them props for firing themselves up for a stretch run toward the end of the game. A real "miracle" to me would be to see the coaching staff fire this team up and watch them play like this consistently over the course of 3 or 4 games. That would be a "miracle" at this point in time.

Call me a Debbie-Downer if you want, I'm usually not like that at all, I just have trouble getting excited over a game that we "made close" when we have the talent to win it.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

That is true. And I guess it doesn't matter if we're down or have the lead. If we're up big, we have a tendency to let teams back in and if we're down big, we have a tendency to climb back.

It's just that despite our poor poor shooting, I really think we've got guys on this team that are talented enough to be among the top in our conference. Coleman, Josten, Koch (notice I didn't say Jordan - I don't think he's close to being there yet). It's frustrating to watch this on a consistent basis from this group of boys.

Maybe I am pointing too strongly at Jacobson, I just can't justify pointing fingers at the boys playing when I don't agree with how they are being played.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

That's a wonderful observation MadCat.

How bout this versus Indiana State:

Coleman in game: ISU 47 UNI 25
Coleman on bench: ISU 27 UNI 31

Against Illinois State, EC had 1/3 of the teams turnovers in 19 minutes for a total of 5. He also had 3 fouls (only Montgomery, who fouled out while guarding they're best player had more). He took 2 shots (made 1) and 4 free throws (also only made 1).

Anyone who has watched UNI over the years knows that Coleman has a tendency to play some games where he just never removes the cranium from the sphincter, and no amount of additional playing time is going to fix it. Last night night was clearly one of those nights. Jake went with the players down the stretch that were into it and they nearly pulled out a miracle, hopefully Eric will come out ready for Bradley, and even more so against Creighton. We must protect our homecourt.

Dude, get over yourself. I was simply responding to someone else's pathetic attempt to discredit EC with an idiotic stat. Perhaps try reading posts around a post to gain some perspective on the context/reasoning.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Call me a Debbie-Downer if you want, I'm usually not like that at all, I just have trouble getting excited over a game that we "made close" when we have the talent to win it.

Exactly. Dare I say, its the "Hawk-inian" approach (see gushing over the 6 late treys against Indiana and ignoring the fact that they lost)?

Listening to GR and KB last night, they indicated on a couple of occassions that it was as much ISU's stupidity as they continued to chuck up dumb shots. Perhaps it wasn't so much a miracle as it was the "inevitable."

Note -- I'm not actually upset about the loss at all. With all the injuries prior to the season, I've been looking at this season as a year to grow, give ourselves an outside shot at winning 3 games in NCAA and hopefully accept an NIT bid or even that new weird tourney. I just love this board so much after a loss. I think the "meltdown" posts are always very low comparative to the vast amount of overeacting posts from the side that is trying so desperately to defend anything and everything Panther. But that group's post have become so "loud" I'm not even sure they hear anything else anymore. They just know, "UNI lost, gotta go defend them to the death on the board" regardless of if anything overly negative is truly being said.

[panther91]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

My opinion ... could very well be wrong ... is that coaches get way too much credit when a team wins and way too much blame when they lose. 20 more turnovers than assists the last two games and shooting about 55% from the free throw line falls on the players, not the coaches.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Dude, get over yourself. I was simply responding to someone else's pathetic attempt to discredit EC with an idiotic stat. Perhaps try reading posts around a post to gain some perspective on the context/reasoning.

What's there to get over?

You responded to a post that stated Coleman wasn't in the game with a post saying we did better overall when he was in. Both happen to be correct statements, you didn't really distinguish between the first and second halves when he wasn't in yesterday which would be 3-25 for the first half and start of the second, and then we made a 17-6 run at the end with him out.

Eric had a bad game, it's not uncommon for him by the way. Though there certainly seem to be a large number of people that believe he is some sort of god. Maybe he's only really as good as the players around. Just like everyone else.

I have read the posts and am getting sick of all the belly-aching from people that can't comprehend that the coaching staff has made decisions for the good of the whole team and not one particular player and that they don't look to some message board for their strategy.

Maybe you should be the one getting over things.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Exactly. Dare I say, its the "Hawk-inian" approach (see gushing over the 6 late treys against Indiana and ignoring the fact that they lost)?

I think you may actually be on to something here with the Hawk analysis.

I think what we are seeing this year is an influx of people who have been able to take joy the last few years in the Panthers' success since the Hawkeyes were struggling. This year, those same people were already expecting a down year for the Hawks and were still hoping to at least get their pleasure from the Panthers still. When the Panthers haven't always delivered, these fans are left grasping for something to hope for.

I have always been looking at this season as a building year due to youth and inexperience we have. In fact I started an entire thread pointing out how many members of the team were either in entirely new positions or being used in new ways. This year will have its ups and downs, I'm not going to get so wrapped up in the ups or downs but watch to see that this team grows over the year to the point where we will be dangerous in February. Kind of like 4 years ago.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

you didn't really distinguish between the first and second halves when he wasn't in yesterday which would be 3-25.

You mean besides when I put basically the same stat in my post?

I have read the posts and am getting sick of all the belly-aching from people that can't comprehend that the coaching staff has made decisions for the good of the whole team and not one particular player and that they don't look to some message board for their strategy.

Maybe you should be the one getting over things.

Trust me, we're just as sick of those that blindly follow and scold "us" for questioning. Newsflash -- no one tells you to come on here to read and/or post either. A high and mighty stance touting an opinion of poster being wrong is no less judgmental than a poster questioning a coach. There's just less consequences if you question an unknown poster vs a coach and his staff, apparently.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Both happen to be correct statements, you didn't really distinguish between the first and second halves when he wasn't in yesterday which would be 3-25 for the first half and start of the second, and then we made a 17-6 run at the end with him out.

Did Coleman start that game? I didn't think he did . . .

That 25-3 score in the first half in favor of ISU is terribly misleading. That run and the start to that game had NOTHING to do with Coleman. He was on the BENCH, NOT STARTING. The momentum and tone was already built up and set by the time he stepped on the floor.

[jman2004]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

I think what we are seeing this year is an influx of people who have been able to take joy the last few years in the Panthers' success since the Hawkeyes were struggling. This year, those same people were already expecting a down year for the Hawks and were still hoping to at least get their pleasure from the Panthers still. When the Panthers haven't always delivered, these fans are left grasping for something to hope for.

Oh give me a freakin' break! I am so sick of that egotistical stance it's beyond !

I graduated from UNI. I NEVER put the Hawkeyes before the Panthers in basketball. Never paid attention to either actually, just enjoyed watching college basketball. That is until I became good friends with a UNI basketball player in college. And guess what, we weren't that great at the time. Mac was just starting to build us up. I didn't care. It was fun. My buddy informed me that my roommates and I were probably the first group of people to actually sign up for Mac's Maniacs in his benefit.

I'm doing my fair share of complaining and guess what, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HAWKEYES! I've heard it before and it makes me want to !

Grow some thicker skin. This is a message board. People complain. People praise. People argue. But at least be reasonable about it all. You've gotten to a point where you're not acting reasonably. You're just tossing out for Coach Jake. That's fine, but like I said, be more reasonable.

Either way, I've found myself complaining lately, and I definitely take offense to that stupid "Hawkeye" comment. Sure there may be fans similar to how you defined them above, but it's a stereotype that I don't think you have the right to toss onto posters just because they(we) don't see eye to eye with you.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

You mean besides when I put basically the same stat in my post?

It was not broken out to show the run in the second half as I did. Which is why I put it in, for those mathematically challenged.

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Trust me, we're just as sick of those that blindly follow and scold "us" for questioning. Newsflash -- no one tells you to come on here to read and/or post either. A high and mighty stance touting an opinion of poster being wrong is no less judgmental than a poster questioning a coach. There's just less consequences if you question an unknown poster vs a coach and his staff, apparently.[/QUOTE]

Apparently not wholeheartedly disagreeing with the coaching staff is being high and mighty, or drinking kool-aid, or being stupid, or whatever. Let's take a poll and find out what the majority thinks and do that, because otherwise its just stupid.

Your right, no one tells me to come and post, though you are certainly implying that I should not if it is not going to be in agreement with you.

Sorry, I don't agree with you.

Sorry, I am not thinking the sky is falling.

Sorry I am not of the total and utter belief that Eric Coleman (or anyone else on the TEAM) can do no wrong or can single handedly win the entire season for us.

I want the Panthers to win
AND
I happen to believe that the coaching staff is doing what is best for the TEAM and not one individual player.
Guess I'm in the minority then.

[clenz]

Re: Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

Yes to the answer of the poll.

I had a conversation with panthers2317 in private, and we got things straightened out for the most part I believe.

I don't agree with Coleman starting, unless it is for an off the court thing and it is his punishment. If that is the case I agree with it.

With that post I'm done with this subject.