Do YOU want Eric Coleman to start???

[MarshallTucker]

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Gotta agree with ya UNIPNTHR - that was pretty bad to watch at times and there was the same grumblings about the offense then. But because that shot fell at Wichita it will always be considered what we "need" to strive for......

[UNIPNTHR]

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Gotta agree with ya UNIPNTHR - that was pretty bad to watch at times and there was the same grumblings about the offense then. But because that shot fell at Wichita it will always be considered what we "need" to strive for......

Great recall.

[jman2004]

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One other thing I keep thinking of in this situation is this...how many other teams get better when they begin to substitute? I believe with depth and experience coming off the bench that we are at an the advantage of other teams.

Wow! 2317, I hope you realize how pathetic and desperate that comment probably appeared to nearly 82% of the message board.

[jman2004]

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I have to question your credibility a little bit when you make comments like these . . .

In fact I think there might be games where big Jordan would not even see the floor if the starting line-up were different.

People have used this against the Coleman situation quite a bit. Why do you think Jordan would be stuck on the bench?

Worked great two years ago, except this year we don't have enough quality non-conference wins and the Valley isn't weak enough for us to build enough early to hold on for a bid.

Aren't Drake, Illinois State, and Indiana State at the top of our conference right now? "Valley isn't weak"? We're the weak team at the moment. I don't get a word you were saying.

Let the guys take more outside shots, especially when our posts are being fronted, crash the offensive glass with four guys and get some putbacks.

This one got me on the floor laughing. Have you watched this team recently? You think they need to "cut loose" and take MORE outside shots? You must be seeing a different team on the court than I am.

A very small (but longstanding and loyal it appears) portion of PantherNation are beginning to get desperate here.

[jman2004]

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You think I'm wrong, I think your wrong.

Clenz, don't forget, 82% of PantherNation thinks he's wrong as well.

I'm beginning to think a few people realize that though so it's become political. Let's see who can support Jake more in this.

[BCPanther]

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What I see is a team that is 10-4.

I see a much more confident Jordan Eglseder, I see a much more confident Adam Koch, I see an Eric Coleman that is able to dominate down the strech for the first time in his very good career.

I see a team that will be amazingly tough when shots start to fall.

There are 16 games left to play plus the postseason and unlike the last three years this team does not look gassed already. It's working...

[Back2BackCats]

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Just because we had Benny J to create when the clock got under 10 didn't make it right. That was still a sickening offense to watch: passing around the perimeter, standing around, until Ben hurls up a contested fade away. Two wrongs and luck don't equal right.

I agree with you, I'm saying the only reason it worked then is because of Benny J which we don't seem to have now. I am all in favor of more movement, I think part of the reason our outside isn't falling is because we never loose a defender in traffic, there is almost always someone near our shooter.

[Coachdags]

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Clenz, don't forget, 82% of PantherNation thinks he's wrong as well.

When 82% jump off the cliff....I'm still going to be sitting on the ledge.

[Khan4Cats]

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I have to question your credibility a little bit when you make comments like these . . .

And you are all that more credible, really.

People have used this against the Coleman situation quite a bit. Why do you think Jordan would be stuck on the bench?

Because there were games (even when he was healthy) where Jordan never saw the floor last year because teams had no real center to match up with. You said you watched this team?

Aren't Drake, Illinois State, and Indiana State at the top of our conference right now? "Valley isn't weak"? We're the weak team at the moment. I don't get a word you were saying.

We're 2-1, 5 teams are 1-2. The Valley isn't weak, it's very balanced. We would have to open up a separation to be able to hold on if we have a late season fade again. Hopefully the current lineup will keep us fresh so we don't fade, but we did not have a good enough non-conference to justify an at-large without a strong conference season. Like 14-4 or so.

This one got me on the floor laughing. Have you watched this team recently? You think they need to "cut loose" and take MORE outside shots? You must be seeing a different team on the court than I am.

Yes, this team has shooteres that need to shot themselves out of their collective funk or forget about ever shooting. I suppose that would be your strategy, right? Only the bigs shoot, even if they are double or triple teamed since the guards aren't to be allowed to shoot? We want to use our size, use it on the offensive glass.

A very small (but longstanding and loyal it appears) portion of PantherNation are beginning to get desperate here.

No one is getting desperate. Some fanatics, not the shortened version "fans", but more like radical zealots (and yes I meant to double emphasize that) are trying to find something to complain about despite the fact that we are 10-4, unbeaten at home in the Valley and already have 1 conference road win. Some of you need to get a grip and check in to reality a little and realize we are still a solid team.

[jman2004]

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First of all, I didn't claim to be more credible than you. You just said a lot of stuff in your post that didn't really make sense.

And second, Jordan didn't play much last season because he was young and inexperienced. And quite frankily, I think Jake messed that up as well. There were obvious games that he could've been used in and wasn't to get him experience.

It's all besides the point. There's no reason that Jordan and Coleman couldn't get their minutes and production with Eric starting like he always has in his career here. It's a stupid stupid stupid distraction. That's all. There has been not a single legitimate answer to the question "why NOT start Coleman AND give him his breaks" and that is proof enough to me that there is a small portion of this message board that will just wholeheartedly back Jacobson and I guess that's fine.

But nos we're 10-5 with 15 games left in the season. Could we get to 20-10? I think definitely we have the talent. No doubt about that. I'm just continuing to wonder why we can't win more consistently with that talent.

And when a young, inexperience coach that was hired within the system to prevent any backward movement suddenly takes a good basketball team and backtracks with them, all the while deciding it's best to bench a 3 year starter and one of the team's best all-time in his senior season, I wonder even more.

[MeOW!]

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An observation:

Last night when UNI held the Redbirds scoreless for eight minutes and made their run, who was not on the floor? Eric Coleman.

[panther91]

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The guard talent on Mac's last two teams was much better than the talent on Jake's first two ... frontcourt is a push. I don't feel the program has stepped back ... we don't have the same talent level. Also the 03-04 team that had about the same amount of experience as this team started conference 7-6 and then won their last 5 games plus 3 tournament games. We need to be patient as our young guys gain experience.

[UNI MadCat]

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Can I play the stats game too???

An observation...

With Coleman on the floor:
UNI 26
ISU 20

Without Coleman on the floor:
ISU 31
UNI 20
(including losing 23-3 in the 1st half... but he was resting for the stretch drive of course.)

Is this where the kids go, "OHHH SNAPPPP!!" ???

[UNI MadCat]

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I understand the argument that EC wasn't having his best night so perhaps his minutes would have been limited anyway. But if you are one of those people that believes this, then you better not also be clamouring to let the shooters who keep missing to just "shoot" their way out of it. If anyone on this team deserves an opportunity to play through a "slump" its our stud.

[Khan4Cats]

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That's a wonderful observation MadCat.

How bout this versus Indiana State:

Coleman in game: ISU 47 UNI 25
Coleman on bench: ISU 27 UNI 31

Against Illinois State, EC had 1/3 of the teams turnovers in 19 minutes for a total of 5. He also had 3 fouls (only Montgomery, who fouled out while guarding they're best player had more). He took 2 shots (made 1) and 4 free throws (also only made 1).

Anyone who has watched UNI over the years knows that Coleman has a tendency to play some games where he just never removes the cranium from the sphincter, and no amount of additional playing time is going to fix it. Last night night was clearly one of those nights. Jake went with the players down the stretch that were into it and they nearly pulled out a miracle, hopefully Eric will come out ready for Bradley, and even more so against Creighton. We must protect our homecourt.