UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[Kyle]

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A lot of researches actually feel college degrees in general are becoming increasingly worthless.

[TravelingPanther]

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There are a lot of worthless college degrees.

[Panther789]

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The business angle to this is extremely interesting. However, the scheme junky in me knows that, in a typical year, an SEC team will kick the living crap out of whoever wins the PAC 16 or the Big 14.

I think a potential PAC 16 could make a very strong claim to be on par with the SEC as a football conference if this happens. I think USC/Texas/Oklahoma/Oregon would be very similar to Florida/Bama/LSU/Georgia.

Without question, those would seem to be the best two football conferences by leaps and bounds if this does in fact happen, regardless of what the Big Ten adds.

[96' Alum]

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I think a potential PAC 16 could make a very strong claim to be on par with the SEC as a football conference if this happens. I think USC/Texas/Oklahoma/Oregon would be very similar to Florida/Bama/LSU/Georgia.

Without question, those would seem to be the best two football conferences by leaps and bounds if this does in fact happen, regardless of what the Big Ten adds.

I am really interested to see the responses to this post.....All of the Iowa fans on here who have been brainwashed to believe that the Big 10/11 is the best thing since sliced bread are not going to like what you said.

As far as expansion goes, people seem to think that the powers that be in the Big 10/11 are making the call, they aren't. It is the people that run the Big 10/11 network that are pushing this through. All the claims about academic requirements and all of that don't really matter in this deal.

The reality is that this is another attempt to get Notre Dame into the Big 10/11. If that fails, then you look elsewhere.

But the thing that people are forgetting is that once this happens, the rules are all changed. Nothing will be the same again, and a school in a state with declining population, and no metropolitan areas, will at some point, not in any near future, be looked at to see what they truly can bring to the table.

I know about tradition, and it is nice of tOSU, and Michigan to allow tradition to keep them in line....But look for things to go crazy UT's own television network proves to be as lucrative as it will be...With the budgets that those schools operate with, and a national alumni base, they have a market for the same type of network....

[Newsbreaker]

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I am really interested to see the responses to this post.....All of the Iowa fans on here who have been brainwashed to believe that the Big 10/11 is the best thing since sliced bread are not going to like what you said.

Carefully setting the table so that any disagreement can be dismissed without any consideration of the merits. Well done.

As far as expansion goes, people seem to think that the powers that be in the Big 10/11 are making the call, they aren't. It is the people that run the Big 10/11 network that are pushing this through.

Those are the same people. The Big Ten runs the Big Ten Network. They even put the name in the title to tip you off.

Seriously though, they are the same people. There isn't some secret group of BTN people who are pushing the league Presidents around. The league Presidents seek expansion because it will mean more money for the BTN, which will mean more money for their schools. Fox isn't pushing expansion.

All the claims about academic requirements and all of that don't really matter in this deal.

True when talking about the Big XII, Pac-10 and SEC. Untrue when talking about the Big Ten. We already have documented evidence the Big Ten pushed away from Texas because they didn't want Texas Tech, and they don't want them for purely academic reasons. The Big Ten is entirely unique because of the CIC, and admission to the athletic league means admission to the CIC. The Pac-10 pays lip-service to academics because they're snobby like that, but they will happily sell-out those interests to get the bigger paycheck. The Big Ten is less interested in doing so (and has proven this by the way PSU was added 20 years ago).

The reality is that this is another attempt to get Notre Dame into the Big 10/11. If that fails, then you look elsewhere.

Absolutely true.

But the thing that people are forgetting is that once this happens, the rules are all changed. Nothing will be the same again, and a school in a state with declining population, and no metropolitan areas, will at some point, not in any near future, be looked at to see what they truly can bring to the table.

You are partially correct. Programs like Nebraska and Oklahoma are going to continue to be major players, now and in the future (and likely so will Iowa, an economic juggernaut).

There is a minimum number of schools it takes to make "BCS Football" economically viable. I think that number settles in around 64 (4, 16 team leagues). The OSUs, Michigans, Texases and USCs of the world can't survive if they don't have the likes of Illinois, Indiana, Nebraska and Mississippi to play.

I know about tradition, and it is nice of tOSU, and Michigan to allow tradition to keep them in line....But look for things to go crazy UT's own television network proves to be as lucrative as it will be...With the budgets that those schools operate with, and a national alumni base, they have a market for the same type of network....

The SEC claims that Florida makes 10 million per year from their "local" rights package, and that might be true, but is far short of a one-team network.

The entire model can't work with one-team networks, which is why you will never see one succeed. If the "Longhorn Network" is going to work, it has to have content. If Texas is worth anything to a league, it is in what they demand in a TV contract. They can't have it both ways. Either Texas makes a ton of cash off their own network, airing their own games, OR they provide value to their league by having their games included in the league TV package. Again, it can't be both. ABC won't pay to have Texas in the Pac-10 if all Texas home games are on some other network, just like the Longhorn Network is worthless if the team isn't actually playing on it. It is a long distance from airing a few coaches shows and specials (ala Florida) and having enough content to fill a network.

The same is true in the Big Ten. The league networks may become common, but team-centric ones will not.

[run&blade]

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I am a little worried about the Valley losing Creighton, WSU, and Southern Illinois.

UNI doesn't have the stadium size, TV market, tradition, or athletic budget make some conference want them.

NDSU to the Valley for b-ball?
Wisconsin Green Bay?

[TH1974]

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I am a little worried about the Valley losing Creighton, WSU, and Southern Illinois.

Where would they go? Creighton leaving for the hypothetical 'Catholic basketball league' is the only explanation that remotely makes sense, and that will never happen.

[jnutt]

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why would WSU leave? They have no football. They have a great baseball program but college baseball is dying across the NCAA because of Title 9. SIU isn't large enough either

[Newsbreaker]

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SIU isn't "large enough?"

That is a very large institution. SIU isn't going anywhere because, like us, nobody else will want them.

[UNI83]

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As has been said without football Creighton and WSU won't be moving unless there is a Catholic Conference for Creighton and there is a Non-Football Conference that takes in WSU.

Neither of which will happen.


The valley, for the most part, will probably stay as is. We may pick up a couple left overs from other conferences though, which could create a "division" like the SEC or B12.

[96' Alum]

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Newsy, remember that Fox owns 49 % of the network...They are there to make money...The conference can say all that they want, but the 20 + million dollar checks that the athletic departments received this year go a long way towards relaxing the academic requirements. Nebraska brings nothing to the table academically for the Big 10/11....But they do bring a lot of untapped televisions throughout the state of Nebraska, Colorado, and South Dakota that will gladly pay for the privilege of subscribing to the Big 10/11 network as long as they get to watch their beloved Huskers...

But with this shift of power of conferences there will be a true bottom line that will have to be adhered to in the not so distant future....As the population continues to shift to the South, it's going to leave schools in low population vulnerable...

I will be most interested to see the impact this all has on UNI, particularly the football program....

[06panther10]

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I am a little worried about the Valley losing Creighton, WSU, and Southern Illinois.

UNI doesn't have the stadium size, TV market, tradition, or athletic budget make some conference want them.

NDSU to the Valley for b-ball?
Wisconsin Green Bay?

[TH1974]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Newsy, remember that Fox owns 49 % of the network...They are there to make money...The conference can say all that they want, but the 20 + million dollar checks that the athletic departments received this year go a long way towards relaxing the academic requirements. Nebraska brings nothing to the table academically for the Big 10/11....But they do bring a lot of untapped televisions throughout the state of Nebraska, Colorado, and South Dakota that will gladly pay for the privilege of subscribing to the Big 10/11 network as long as they get to watch their beloved Huskers...

But with this shift of power of conferences there will be a true bottom line that will have to be adhered to in the not so distant future....As the population continues to shift to the South, it's going to leave schools in low population vulnerable...

I will be most interested to see the impact this all has on UNI, particularly the football program....

what impact would it possibly have?

[cydave]

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why would WSU leave? They have no football. They have a great baseball program but college baseball is dying across the NCAA because of Title 9. SIU isn't large enough either

It's a moot point, but SIU has an enrollment of 21,000. Which is bigger than a lot of BCS schools.

[96' Alum]

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what impact would it possibly have?

With the likelihood of Iowa State moving down a level in competition, everything that they do will be altered....If you don't think that this will affect UNI's recruiting, especially in football, then I will politely disagree...


The fact that Iowa State will be signing the same type of player to play at the D 1 level, that we do can not possibly help UNI...