UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

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Breaking: Colorado could be on the move by the morning.

[cydave]

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http://www.bedlamsports.net/2010/06/fox-sports-wants-to-marry-the-big-12/

I'm glad Beebe decided to wait until it's too late for this one.

http://nebraska.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=928&fid=181&style=2&tid=134230852&Page=1

http://omaha.com/article/20100608/BIGRED/306089786/-1#nu-to-big-10-as-early-as-friday

[TH1974]

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There's nothing beebe could do.

[cydave]

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There's nothing beebe could do.

What do you mean there's nothing Beebe could do?! He's the Big 12 commissioner. He couldn't have tried to get this contract going a few weeks ago, before the big 12 meetings to at least have something to propose to the conference?

[96' Alum]

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What do you mean there's nothing Beebe could do?! He's the Big 12 commissioner. He couldn't have tried to get this contract going a few weeks ago, before the big 12 meetings to at least have something to propose to the conference?

Because this has nothing to do with anything that the Big 12 could have done...It was about the people that run the Big 10/11 network looking to increase subscriptions in states where they have no presence....Nebraska offers the western plain states that would have no interest in watching Big 10/11 sports. With the Cornhuskers, they now can gain footholds into all of the areas that are dominated by Nebraska fans.....

Look at your Cyclones, I was reading CF, and was saddened watching people try to delude themselves. The fact is that the only thing that makes Nebraska and Missouri marketable is that the network hasn't invaded their territory yet....With the Hawks, the network is on in every cable system in the state....The network $$$ has all that it can get in Iowa, they have to expand to keep growing...

UT was happy with the arrangement, much like tOSU is with the idea that they can lose an early season game to a good opponent, and they don't have to worry because they will run through the Big 10/11...

The thing that many of these people aren't seeming to acknowledge is that this will change everything, and the repurcussions down the line could leave a have not state out in the cold....

[Trapped in California]

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As for ISU, KSU, and maybe KU & Baylor, sucks being left on the Titanic without a life vest.

[cydave]

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Because this has nothing to do with anything that the Big 12 could have done...It was about the people that run the Big 10/11 network looking to increase subscriptions in states where they have no presence....Nebraska offers the western plain states that would have no interest in watching Big 10/11 sports. With the Cornhuskers, they now can gain footholds into all of the areas that are dominated by Nebraska fans.....

Look at your Cyclones, I was reading CF, and was saddened watching people try to delude themselves. The fact is that the only thing that makes Nebraska and Missouri marketable is that the network hasn't invaded their territory yet....With the Hawks, the network is on in every cable system in the state....The network $$$ has all that it can get in Iowa, they have to expand to keep growing...

UT was happy with the arrangement, much like tOSU is with the idea that they can lose an early season game to a good opponent, and they don't have to worry because they will run through the Big 10/11...

The thing that many of these people aren't seeming to acknowledge is that this will change everything, and the repurcussions down the line could leave a have not state out in the cold....

I agree with your entire post, except for the first paragraph. I just don't see why Beebe and Fox didn't come up with this earlier. Something to present to Nebraska to say that the TV revenue will be increased, maybe not as much as the Big 10 or SEC, but definitely more competitive with them. Maybe, Nebraska would have thought staying in the Big 12 was better than making the move to the Big 10, where the TV revenue is vastly more than the current Big 12.

Now, what the Cyclone fans are hoping for is the ND turns down the Big 10, leaving the Big 10 with 12, as it stands with Nebraska. This leaves Mizzou out in the cold with the rest of the north division (colorado still up in the air).

[cydave]

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As for ISU, KSU, and maybe KU & Baylor, sucks being left on the Titanic without a life vest.

Thats funny because somebody on cyclonefanatic just posted a video clip of the Titanic sinking.

[SteinPizza]

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http://www.bedlamsports.net/2010/06/...ry-the-big-12/
I'm glad Beebe decided to wait until it's too late for this one.

http://nebraska.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=928&fid=181&style=2&tid=134230852&Page=1

http://omaha.com/article/20100608/BI...arly-as-friday

A couple of interesting points from the bedlamsports article linked above:

the Big 12 would have to stay intact for the contract to be valid, with Nebraska a must-have (no word on Mizzou)
The deal would probably include some sort of alliance with the Pac-10 for ‘made for TV’ match-ups (think USC-OU every few years, Texas-Oregon, etc.)

The second point is the ultimate cover your bases move for Fox if they think the Big 12 South will bolt for the Pac 10. It's kind of like two airlines announcing a code share and frequent flyer alliance. Before you know it, they're merged.

The first puzzles me just a bit. It sounds like Nebraska to the Big Ten is a done deal. I'm sure there's some economic justification for this, but would someone care to share it with me? I have a hard time seeing how Nebraska adds enough TV sets to make them so attractive. Do they really have so much following in the Dakotas to make them viable? And, have the Dakotas ever mattered so much in anything, with the exception of political balance in the US Senate, and being home to much of our nuclear deterrent? They're still viable in football, so I'm sure that helps.

[TH1974]

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The first puzzles me just a bit. It sounds like Nebraska to the Big Ten is a done deal. I'm sure there's some economic justification for this, but would someone care to share it with me? I have a hard time seeing how Nebraska adds enough TV sets to make them so attractive. Do they really have so much following in the Dakotas to make them viable? And, have the Dakotas ever mattered so much in anything, with the exception of political balance in the US Senate, and being home to much of our nuclear deterrent? They're still viable in football, so I'm sure that helps.

Nebraska isn't going to add a lot of cable fees to the BTN revenue, but they're a brand-name when it comes to football, and having them in the fold would increase value of the ABC/ESPN deals when it comes time to renew those. Apparently, the BT feels they're worth adding.

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Nebraska isn't going to add a lot of cable fees to the BTN revenue, but they're a brand-name when it comes to football, and having them in the fold would increase value of the ABC/ESPN deals when it comes time to renew those. Apparently, the BT feels they're worth adding.

This is correct. It's essentially the equivalent of adding a market the size of Des Moines plus about a million additional homes. Not a huge get, however, Nebraska is a national name. They aren't on the "homerun" list (only UT and ND fit there) but they are at least a double or a triple. They would be roughly the equivalent of getting Oklahoma, IMHO.

If Nebraska is coming I think Mizzou will be as well, then the war will move to the eastern front.

[cydave]

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From the sounds of things (I know there has been a lot of that) it looks like if ND is to join the Big 10, they are demanding it stops at 12 teams. Meaning, NU and MU would no longer be invited to the Big 10. Texas would then stay, leaving the Big 12 as-is (assuming CU doesn't leave, which isn't a big deal).
The fate of ISU and the Big 12, once again, is in the hands of ND.

[Newsbreaker]

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From the sounds of things (I know there has been a lot of that) it looks like if ND is to join the Big 10, they are demanding it stops at 12 teams. Meaning, NU and MU would no longer be invited to the Big 10. Texas would then stay, leaving the Big 12 as-is (assuming CU doesn't leave, which isn't a big deal).
The fate of ISU and the Big 12, once again, is in the hands of ND.

Where are you hearing that?

[cydave]

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Where are you hearing that?

A couple paragraphs down.

http://www.texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1092612

I'm sorry, its the other way around. The Big 10 has said it will stop expansion at 12, if ND joins.
Also, the very last paragraph is interesting.

[96' Alum]

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A couple paragraphs down.

http://www.texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1092612

I'm sorry, its the other way around. The Big 10 has said it will stop expansion at 12, if ND joins.
Also, the very last paragraph is interesting.

This is another thing that people don't think about...IF Notre Dame says no again, and I think they will, this realignment is in no way shape or form over. The people at the "Big 10/11" 'cough Fox Network cough' are not going to stop until they get the Irish.

If they have 16 teams by then, which is likely, do they amend to 18 team conferences? I doubt that. So that means that there may be schools that are safe today, that will be at risk. I think state population, and national identity will have a lot to do with who survives....

Who knows where the gun will be pointing at in the future.