Who wants to play in Carver next week?

[Farley's revenge]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

We have somehow located one of the last bastions of defense of the RPI. There are lots of good, objective measurements, but RPI is the outlier because it relies too much on the opponents and, indefensibly, the opponents of opponents records.

A "new" hole has been detected. MWC schools have done something smart. You don't think everyone isn't going to exploit that? You don't think that wont cost everyone outside of the power leagues a few opportunities to play better competition?

They really need to add other metics to the "official" basket of measurements. Add KenPom, add Sagarin, etc.

Of course the measurements that prop up your real favorite team are the ones that you and the other will use.

But the "hole" that you claim has been there for much longer than just this year. The only reason you hawks are crying about it, hell even acknowledge it, is because it has affected your favorite team.

franny made the schedule purposefully. franny also got severely outcoached at crunchtime in many of the losses that your hawks suffered.

So maybe he should have spent more time on coaching that throwing fits, and figuring out ways to not play UNI and Drake anymore?

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

i cant IMAGINE why iowa or its fans wouldnt want to deal with UNI anymore.

[Born-a-Panther]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

i cant IMAGINE why iowa or its fans wouldnt want to deal with UNI anymore.

And I can't IMAGINE why Panther fans would have such a distaste in their mouth for the Hawks!

[Panther'73]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

and i can't imagine why panther fans would have such a distaste in their mouth for the hawks!

agree 100%....

['70 Grad]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

And I can't IMAGINE why Panther fans would have such a distaste in their mouth for the Hawks!

I used to be a fan of theirs, then neutral. Now, I smile when they lose.

[williebat]

i cant IMAGINE why iowa or its fans wouldnt want to deal with UNI anymore.

Shouldn't you be painting yourself black and gold and getting ready for the game already. Leave us and our cit tourney team alone already.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Shouldn't you be painting yourself black and gold and getting ready for the game already. Leave us and our cit tourney team alone already.

is it shocking that we are discussing iowa in a thread (started by a panther fan) about iowa or somenthing? you are not forced to click on any links.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Sadly, despite all the bickering, posturing, statistical diarrhea, and TH's waste of bandwidth, the Hawks are still irrelevant. Irrelevant on the national stage. Irrelevant in the B1G. Irrelevant in regional terms. Hell, they're not even the best team in the state. No amount of RPI bashing, whining about the MWC gaming the system, or rationalizing their inclusion (or lack thereof) in the NCAA tourney will change that. They haven't been relevant since "Bad Day" was a hit song (fitting), Casino Royale was big in the box office, and Vince Young ran all over the Rose Bowl. If it weren't for the opportunity to ride the coattails of real success in the B1G (see: Michigan State basketball, Ohio State football and basketball, Michigan football and basketball, Indiana basketball, Northwestern academics, Purdue basketball, Nebraska football... and the list goes on), and the money that comes from playing piggyback, that program would be nothing but a black and gold Washington State.

Say it with me: "Iowa is irrelevant." Now repeat it twice. You're on the right track. Why we're still discussing that leach of an athletic department is beyond me.

Moving on.....

[jnutt]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

is it shocking that we are discussing iowa in a thread (started by a panther fan) about iowa or somenthing? you are not forced to click on any links.

so we wanted an NIT game in Iowa City where:

1) we could see the game in person
2) we would see a great game
3) we could win
4) against a team that doesn't want to play us
5) revenge against a team we feel we should have beat
6) another chance to beat Fran

We were going to be a bottom seed in the NIT. This was our only shot to see our boys play in person one more time and not have some ridiculous travel involved.

[TH1974]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Sadly, despite all the bickering, posturing, statistical diarrhea, and TH's waste of bandwidth, the Hawks are still irrelevant.

Yeah, I've been posing pretty much nonstop in this thread.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

the hawks sold out an NIT game on a day when UNI is also at home. seems somewhat relevant.

[Born-a-Panther]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

the hawks sold out an NIT game on a day when UNI is also at home. seems somewhat relevant.

You might be misunderstanding relevance.

[Panther'73]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

the hawks sold out an NIT game on a day when UNI is also at home. seems somewhat relevant.

who cares???

[TH1974]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

who cares???

NOBODY!!!i!!

[06panther10]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

We both know you're not going to think I've ever made a good point because of who I am and because of who you are. We can pretend, I guess.

News being news.

Opponents record does a good job of measuring the strength of who you've played. Opponents opponents record is a step too far.

Is our game versus Iowa less impressive because their opponents were unimpressive? Does a win over us count for substantially less because our opponents turned out not to be very good? Or does our record quite adequately represent us?

I'm looking for the records of our opponents next to our yearly w-l records. Not finding it. It's quite important, so it must be in a prominent place somewhere.

This loophole has never been discussed in any important way before.

No its not a step too far. Again, how is it not relevant? And the answer to your question is yes. If we beat a 30-0 Iowa team that played 28 terrible teams, then yes, a win over them would be less impressive. It's inarguable common sense.

The "loophole" has been discussed, its been discussed a lot. Even all of us dummies on here have discussed it a ton. Again, if certain schools are too stupid to figure out how to schedule correctly or don't know how the simple RPI formula works then they have nobody to blame but themselves.