Who wants to play in Carver next week?

[NEI Panther]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Here is my take:

1) Bubble teams - I would rather see a mid major get in before a 6th, 7th or 8th place major conference team. (the playing field isn't level, so why not give it to the underdog) The major conference team has proven they will only win 1 out of 3 against tournament teams

2) Why has the "last ten games" record been looked at as less important. Why do we want a Minnesota in the tournament. They are on self destruct mode right now. If you want in Maryland, take Minnesota out.

3) I really hate the mega conferences when it comes to basketball. 10 league teams are the best. Play everyone 2 times and no one with a losing conference record should be allowed to play in the NCAA's, unless they win their conference tournament. So will the B1G have 19 game schedule in the future. Back to 18 when they go to 16 teams (never playing 4 teams)

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

I agree. If you want conference to count more than pre-season then you should not be eligible for the NCAA tourney with an under .500 record in your conference (short of the auto bid). Talk about ample time to prove your worth, if you can't win more than half of your conference games then how can you really argue that you are deserving of the NCAA tournament?

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Talking about Iowa getting snubbed is laughable. The biggest myth is there conference schedule.

Iowa:
RPI: 80
SOS: 102 OOC SOS: (320ish)
RPI of conference victories:
168
31
186
168
186
34
135
40
104
168

RPI of conference losses:
10
19
7
9
135
34
31
104
10
7

Sorry its not even a debate. Can we please move on

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Talking about Iowa getting snubbed is laughable. The biggest myth is there conference schedule.

Iowa:
RPI: 80
SOS: 102 OOC SOS: (320ish)
RPI of conference victories:
168
31
186
168
186
34
135
40
104
168

RPI of conference losses:
10
19
7
9
135
34
31
104
10
7

Sorry its not even a debate. Can we please move on

thanks for joining! thats not what we are debating.

completely agree on minnesota. they are a trainwreck but lucked into an injured UCLA draw.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

I'm not about to wade into this tardfest, but don't start adding "should have" games.

I agree but I think everyone can admit this was not the typical "should have" won game. The officials were disciplined by the conference. Not your typical "the refs sucked game".


My biggest question is how do you use RPI to determine who the good wins and bad losses are but then discount the RPI of the teams you are comparing?

[DownGoesKansas]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

thanks for joining! thats not what we are debating.

completely agree on minnesota. they are a trainwreck but lucked into an injured UCLA draw.

Maybe not but Iowa was mentioned in approximately 10 other posts on this page alone.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Maybe not but Iowa was mentioned in approximately 10 other posts on this page alone.

thanks for joining! we covered the reasoning for that too.

[95UNIGRAD]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Different thread, same old 9. *Yawn* Brother, if you argued ANYTHING Panther-related as passionately as you do anything Hawk-related, I don't think there'd be anyone here who'd give you guff. And the passive aggressive "I'm talking about Iowa, but wait, I'm not really talking about Iowa" stuff has gone from annoying to embarassing by now. Oh why did I bother checking out this thread, when I knew the contents before I even opened it? Guess I'm a sucker for a train wreck.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

A really good analysis below. "Bad losses" and "good wins" meant less than bad D-1 wins. MWC schools are in because they played non-Division 1 schools which don't count in the RPI, while Maryland is out because they played bad D-1 teams.

Maybe the bottom of your schedule should determine who you are, but I think this is more evidence the RPI is indefensible.

http://m.thebiglead.com/bigleadsport...7b56707351d9/4

ha, nice timing.

congrats to the MWC. they figured it out and executed. the MVC had already figured it out, but couldnt execute on the winning the other games.

every MWC team played multiple non-d1 games. every time that happened, each MWC team's RPI went up a little bit because they avoided playing Dog**** State.

im not saying they cheated...i am saying that it is stupid to use any measure that can be so easily gamed.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Different thread, same old 9. *Yawn* Brother, if you argued ANYTHING Panther-related as passionately as you do anything Hawk-related, I don't think there'd be anyone here who'd give you guff. And the passive aggressive "I'm talking about Iowa, but wait, I'm not really talking about Iowa" stuff has gone from annoying to embarassing by now. Oh why did I bother checking out this thread, when I knew the contents before I even opened it? Guess I'm a sucker for a train wreck.

if you cant see past the iowa stuff, then its own your fault.

iowa is being discussed because they were on the bubble. end of story.

i am passionate about objective measures, nothing more.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

the fact that maryland could have swapped out two d-1 teams for 2 NAIA teams- therefore playing an easier schedule- and had their OOC SOS go from 300 to 160 is just pure comedy.

[hoopfan]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

06 was complaining about iowa winning a couple decent games and expecting to get in.

I said that's pretty much what ISU did. They just scheduled bad teams instead of horrendously bad teams so their rpi was better. They didn't prove anything more.

Don't even get me started on mid majors scheduling non-d1 teams to game the system

I'm sure all these mid-majors play non-d1 games because they would prefer to play them and not because schools from the Big 6 conferences aren't willing to sack up and play. I believe Dannen has said there isn't a Big 10/12 school willing to play a home/home against UNI. That says everything you need to know about how those teams feel about their OOC schedule. They will continue to play cupcakes or only each other to prevent mid-majors from a seat at the table. They refuse to go on the road to a mid-major because if they win a couple conference road games that is good enough. They know that if they finish around .500 they will be in the tournament most years. It is a flawed system, similar to the BCS and the new 4 team playoff system. It is all determined by money and the BCS conferences.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

ha, nice timing.

congrats to the MWC. they figured it out and executed. the MVC had already figured it out, but couldnt execute on the winning the other games.

every MWC team played multiple non-d1 games. every time that happened, each MWC team's RPI went up a little bit because they avoided playing Dog**** State.

im not saying they cheated...i am saying that it is stupid to use any measure that can be so easily gamed.

No measure (besides the tournament) is perfect. This "gaming the system" can easily be fixed though by making non-d1 games count. Count them all as 320 or however many D1 teams there are plus 1.

Would you have the same opinion if instead of playing those non-d1 games they didn't play anyone? (fewer total games). You still have to win to get a good RPI.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

I'm sure all these mid-majors play non-d1 games because they would prefer to play them and not because schools from the Big 6 conferences aren't willing to sack up and play. I believe Dannen has said there isn't a Big 10/12 school willing to play a home/home against UNI. That says everything you need to know about how those teams feel about their OOC schedule. They will continue to play cupcakes or only each other to prevent mid-majors from a seat at the table. They refuse to go on the road to a mid-major because if they win a couple conference road games that is good enough. They know that if they finish around .500 they will be in the tournament most years. It is a flawed system, similar to the BCS and the new 4 team playoff system. It is all determined by money and the BCS conferences.

UNI refuses to travel without a return game, whats the difference?

minnesota would gladly play us in the twin cities. people scream and yell when i suggest that UNI simply play iowa or ISU on the road.

instead we opt for Loras or whomever. its the exact same thing.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

No measure (besides the tournament) is perfect. This "gaming the system" can easily be fixed though by making non-d1 games count. Count them all as 320 or however many D1 teams there are plus 1.

Would you have the same opinion if instead of playing those non-d1 games they didn't play anyone? (fewer total games). You still have to win to get a good RPI.

the system doesnt have to be perfect. it only has to be not incredibly stupid.