Who wants to play in Carver next week?

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

also southern miss was 25-9, 32 RPI, played WSU, la tech, arizona, denver, WKU plus a bad georgia team OOC and wasnt even close.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

also the committe chair cited MTSU's ability to win tough games on the road as a reason they were in.

want to know who they beat on the road? Savannah State, UCF, UL-L, Belmont, South Alabama, UL-M, North Texas, FIU, FAU, UA-LR, Troy, and WKU

[dan_beeding]

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iowa beat wisconsin. they also didnt play OSU or Michigan at home, and their leading scorer was injured vs. MSU.
i do not see anything on ISU's conference schedule that stands out other than winning at baylor.

UVA should have been in for sure. i dont really feel strongly about anyone else.

The bolded part is what is causing people to get all worked up. The excuses from Iowa fans wear me out. The fact of the matter is that they had multiple opportunities to win big games (and not lose bad ones), and they did not do what they needed to do (outside of the Wisconsin win at home). Do people really think they should be rewarded for good losses? A team that loses these games should be in the NCAA tourney?

Ouch Losses:
Wichita State
Va. Tech
Purdue
Nebraska

And these are the wins Iowa fans are trying to justify an NCAA berth (or NIT 1-2 seed)?
WKU (1st game of the year for both teams) (home)
Iowa State (neutral)
Wisconsin (home)
Minnesota (home)
Illinois (home)

Really?

[jnutt]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

hey 9yr. Whats the over/under for Jake Odum flops in the game? I'm guessing 7?

[BCPanther]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

hey 9yr. Whats the over/under for Jake Odum flops in the game? I'm guessing 7?

I'm taking the over. Big.

[Farley's revenge]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

iowa beat wisconsin. they also didnt play OSU or Michigan at home, and their leading scorer was injured vs. MSU.

i do not see anything on ISU's conference schedule that stands out other than winning at baylor.

UVA should have been in for sure. i dont really feel strongly about anyone else.

Again, with the insecurity. Pretty typical hawk fan...Interesting that you are trying to knock Iowa State down here. But of course you really don't think your real favorite team should have made it...

It has to burn to see Iowa State's success. I don't care either way, but since you want to discuss facts...

Iowa State beat Kansas State, and Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, all "good" wins.

I get that you are in tears over your favorite teams snub. But iowa had many opportunities to get a marquee win, and failed. More important to throw hissy fits than coach, I guess.

[9YRPLAN]

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Again, with the insecurity. Pretty typical hawk fan...Interesting that you are trying to knock Iowa State down here. But of course you really don't think your real favorite team should have made it...

It has to burn to see Iowa State's success. I don't care either way, but since you want to discuss facts...

Iowa State beat Kansas State, and Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, all "good" wins.

I get that you are in tears over your favorite teams snub. But iowa had many opportunities to get a marquee win, and failed. More important to throw hissy fits than coach, I guess.

you have GOT to be kidding me:

best wins, per RPI rankings:

Team A
ksu 21
okie state 26
oklahoma 42
oklahoma 42 (neutral)
BYU 65

Team B
wisconsin 31
minnesota 33
illinois 39
ISU 45
UNI 80 (neutral)

worst losses:

Team A
texas 115
texas tech 213

Tem B
nebraska 98
purdue 132
virginia tech 174

oh yeah...Team B won head to head by 9.

[ubuntuCAT]

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you have GOT to be kidding me:

best wins, per RPI rankings:

Team A
ksu 21
okie state 26
oklahoma 42
oklahoma 42 (neutral)
BYU 65

Team B
wisconsin 31
minnesota 33
illinois 39
ISU 45
UNI 80 (neutral)

worst losses:

Team A
texas 115
texas tech 213

Tem B
nebraska 98
purdue 132
virginia tech 174

oh yeah...Team B won head to head by 9.

Well since you chose RPI.
Iowa RPI 81, SOS 103, Non-conf SOS 311
Iowa State RPI 45, SOS 43, Non-conf SOS 137

Add in that ISU had one more win (with a tougher schedule) and should have had a win against Kansas.

not even close IMO

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Well since you chose RPI.
Iowa RPI 81, SOS 103, Non-conf SOS 311
Iowa State RPI 45, SOS 43, Non-conf SOS 137

Add in that ISU had one more win (with a tougher schedule) and should have had a win against Kansas.

not even close IMO

jfc, no kidding. Never said it was.

Why is following an argument so tough?

,all I have ever said was that isu is what Iowa would look like with a less crappy schedule

[ubuntuCAT]

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jfc, no kidding. Never said it was.

Why is following an argument so tough?

,all I have ever said was that isu is what Iowa would look like with a less crappy schedule

9yer I'm usually on board with you but I still have no idea what your argument is.

ISU is what UNI would look like with a less crappy performance against Indiana schools.

[Newsbreaker]

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Well since you chose RPI.
Iowa RPI 81, SOS 103, Non-conf SOS 311
Iowa State RPI 45, SOS 43, Non-conf SOS 137

Add in that ISU had one more win (with a tougher schedule) and should have had a win against Kansas.

not even close IMO

I'm not about to wade into this tardfest, but don't start adding "should have" games.

[PantherHawk]

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I am not upset about Iowa, they had their chances and blew it down their leg. even with a crappy schedule they were on the bubble and had leads in 6 of their 7 losses in the big ten with under 2min to go. They do need to schedule tougher next year, but don't look for a giant increase, they will get some better teams, but no duke, kansas, or Florida.

I am upset about Maryland & VA. I think both those teams earned it. They had big wins (i know some head scratcher losses too). But it like jay bilas said, "it wasn't who you beat, it was who you lost to." it makes no sense I guess. The committee in years previous was about "who you played" and how you finished. Now its more of a guessing game, teams do not know what the committee is looking for which is wrong.

[UNIGrainer]

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I think bad losses absolutely should figure in in a major way. Bad losses by teams who also have big wins show inconsistency. They are capable on their best day of beating Duke, but how good are they really if they are also losing to bad teams? You might get their best effort, but you might not. Reward a team that was good consistently over the course of the season, not that just got up for a few big games.

[9YRPLAN]

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9yer I'm usually on board with you but I still have no idea what your argument is.

ISU is what UNI would look like with a less crappy performance against Indiana schools.

06 was complaining about iowa winning a couple decent games and expecting to get in.

I said that's pretty much what ISU did. They just scheduled bad teams instead of horrendously bad teams so their rpi was better. They didn't prove anything more.

Don't even get me started on mid majors scheduling non-d1 teams to game the system

[Newsbreaker]

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A really good analysis below. "Bad losses" and "good wins" meant less than bad D-1 wins. MWC schools are in because they played non-Division 1 schools which don't count in the RPI, while Maryland is out because they played bad D-1 teams.

Maybe the bottom of your schedule should determine who you are, but I think this is more evidence the RPI is indefensible.

http://m.thebiglead.com/bigleadsports/#!/entry/jay-bilas-was-wrong-about-the-committee-going-by-who,51478dfdd7fc7b56707351d9/4