Looking at 2015-2016

[SteinPizza]

Re: Looking at 2015-2016

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I again state - to take a 6'10 kid who has shown no real outside game at any point in his career and try to turn him into a "swing 4", you're freaking words, or take time out of a post game that still needs to develop is a terrible move no matter how you want to spin it. To use Buss as an example of why it would be okay and should happen is just asinine.

It's the same way Jake, and crew, really screwed up with Marvin his first 2.5 years on campus. They wanted him to be a wing. Once they realized he was a post he blossomed as a player. Leave Bennett and Dahl in the post. There are other players than be a "swing 4".

You can question my ability to read, but it's damn tough to read something that has the grammar of my 3rd grade nephew when it comes to where periods are placed, typed like my 15 year old niece with the use of emojis, and using phrases like "understand literature" when a single word can easily replace it and make it a much more coherent thought (since when is a 2 sentence post "literature"?), etc... but until you clean those issues up doing so makes as much sense as turning a back to the basket post player into a swing anything.

Agreed. To use Buss as a prototype for just any guy that size is incorrect and absurd. For one, Buss had a size/athleticism combo that is very rare for a UNI type school. He could just as easily take guys off the dribble as he could post up, shoot threes, etc. The only comparable players UNI has had would maybe be Adam Koch (Buss is a better shooter), or Matt Schniederman (who probably could've driven a lot more if GMac didn't run that set play based offense that allowed for zero creativity). Buss was a unique talent here, which is why I'm bummed that he's not going for a medical redshirt.

[Purrrrrfect]

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Agreed. To use Buss as a prototype for just any guy that size is incorrect and absurd. For one, Buss had a size/athleticism combo that is very rare for a UNI type school. He could just as easily take guys off the dribble as he could post up, shoot threes, etc. The only comparable players UNI has had would maybe be Adam Koch (Buss is a better shooter), or Matt Schniederman (who probably could've driven a lot more if GMac didn't run that set play based offense that allowed for zero creativity). Buss was a unique talent here, which is why I'm bummed that he's not going for a medical redshirt.

agreed Steiny...wish he could get it.

[claw]

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LOL at people who apparently have never watched a Ben Jacobson coached team.

Number of players who saw/have seen regular time under Jake: somewhere around 40
Number of players who did not have the 3-pointer as a part of their arsenal: Coleman, Pehl, Rodenberg, Friedman-to this point, Koch-to this point

There's a massive difference between having "the 3-pointer as a part of their arsenal" and moving a 6'10 back to the basket to a swing 4 just so he can shoot 3s.

I'm sorry you, and purrrfect, can't see that

[PantherHawk]

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Luke McDonnell was consistently listed as a 2-star, had a great summer after committing to UNI and got a 3rd star added.

The system has gotten much, much better.

I know it has improved, but there are still some strange "upgrades" that some of the sites use.

[Purrrrrfect]

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There's a massive difference between having "the 3-pointer as a part of their arsenal" and moving a 6'10 back to the basket to a swing 4 just so he can shoot 3s.

I'm sorry you, and purrrfect, can't see that

I'm just saying is Koch at his current age/year, and Sir Buss at the same time were close to each other...One was 6'9 with not a great post game, but could shoot lights out and decent ball handler, horrible on defense..(never really improved much) and Koch, no outside game to speak of but is pretty decent down low and plays better defense than Buss (i'd argue, better defense as a RS Fr than Buss as a senior in the minutes he saw).

We are arguing oranges to apples. Had Buss developed a more dominant post game to go with his outside game, he'd be scary as opposed to..oh where is he on the 3pt line.

Not saying koch would be great at 3s or outside game, but if he did work on it to the level of betterment to add to his skill set, he'd be pretty darn good.
to go along with a post game I would bet is gonna be pretty dang good.

Had Egleseder never worked on his outside game in Jakes system...we never would have saw 2 straight 3s from the big guy against Kansas...effectively losing that game most likely. He wasn't great and he didn't shoot much but his ability to do so to go along with his post game (at least his senior year) made him a great player for us.

I have a 6'6 swing 4 playing point on my AAU team right now, but is by far the best post player I have and can dominate from inside-out. Could he not ball handle and shoot the outside jumper I'd just make him play post...but him playing point opens the whole floor up. I'd like to see that with Koch.

But anyway...team next year is gonna be special again..no doubt. can;t wait! Got my tickets reserved for Houston and the Final Four!

[hoopfan]

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I'm just saying is Koch at his current age/year, and Sir Buss at the same time were close to each other...One was 6'9 with not a great post game, but could shoot lights out and decent ball handler, horrible on defense..(never really improved much) and Koch, no outside game to speak of but is pretty decent down low and plays better defense than Buss (i'd argue, better defense as a RS Fr than Buss as a senior in the minutes he saw).

We are arguing oranges to apples. Had Buss developed a more dominant post game to go with his outside game, he'd be scary as opposed to..oh where is he on the 3pt line.

Not saying koch would be great at 3s or outside game, but if he did work on it to the level of betterment to add to his skill set, he'd be pretty darn good.
to go along with a post game I would bet is gonna be pretty dang good.

Had Egleseder never worked on his outside game in Jakes system...we never would have saw 2 straight 3s from the big guy against Kansas...effectively losing that game most likely. He wasn't great and he didn't shoot much but his ability to do so to go along with his post game (at least his senior year) made him a great player for us.

I have a 6'6 swing 4 playing point on my AAU team right now, but is by far the best post player I have and can dominate from inside-out. Could he not ball handle and shoot the outside jumper I'd just make him play post...but him playing point opens the whole floor up. I'd like to see that with Koch.

But anyway...team next year is gonna be special again..no doubt. can;t wait! Got my tickets reserved for Houston and the Final Four!

Or Bennett could turn out like his brother Jake and be a 25% shooter from behind the arc and waste his career out there. Buss was a substantially better scorer than Jake and I still think of what could've been if Jake had any sort of post game.

[Khan4Cats]

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Or Bennett could turn out like his brother Jake and be a 25% shooter from behind the arc and waste his career out there. Buss was a substantially better scorer than Jake and I still think of what could've been if Jake had any sort of post game.

You're thinking of Adam who was a career 28% shooter from the arc, Jake shot 32% for his career.

And Jake still shot more free throws his senior year than anyone else while leading the team in blocked shots and being second on the team in rebounds and assists.

Anyone who thinks Jake wasted his career at UNI doesn't have a clue about basketball or the way Coach Jake has his team play it. He was what, one of two players in MVC history with 100 made threes, 200 assists, 600 rebounds, 100 steals and 100 blocked shots in his career. Yep, wasted.

[Khan4Cats]

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There's a massive difference between having "the 3-pointer as a part of their arsenal" and moving a 6'10 back to the basket to a swing 4 just so he can shoot 3s.

I'm sorry you, and purrrfect, can't see that

A) Who said Bennett is a prototypical back-to-the-basket 5? From what I've seen, he's got the ability to face up and take it from the elbow off the dribble much like Adam had and Jake had before ankle surgery.

B) Where do you expect Bennett to be playing in 2 years with 6'10" Dahl and 6'9" Friedman getting minutes? Both of those appear to be much more inside players than Bennett.

C) I believe the point that was made that is that Coach Jake loves to use that to stretch defenses and we have rarely had too many players who weren't at least a threat from out there. Even Eglseder was allowed to shoot from deep, or did you not watch the Kansas game?

[DownGoesKansas]

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LOL at people who apparently have never watched a Ben Jacobson coached team.

Number of players who saw/have seen regular time under Jake: somewhere around 40
Number of players who did not have the 3-pointer as a part of their arsenal: Coleman, Pehl, Rodenberg, Friedman-to this point, Koch-to this point

Umm. Not really sure what you mean by this. But off the top of my head you missed:

O'Rear
Eglseder (yes he made 2 vs KU but he made 1 all year before that.)
Singleton (Something like 6 made in his UNI career)

In no way was a 3 pt shot part of the arsenal. But on occasion they could make one if left wide open like 99.9% of all college players..

[catsize]

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Umm. Not really sure what you mean by this. But off the top of my head you missed:

O'Rear
Eglseder (yes he made 2 vs KU but he made 1 all year before that.)
Singleton (Something like 6 made in his UNI career)

In no way was a 3 pt shot part of the arsenal. But on occasion they could make one if left wide open like 99.9% of all college players..

Not sure why its hard to understand. Having something in your arsenal means not only having the ability to shoot when left wide open, but the willingness to do that.

O'Rear attempted more than 30 3-point shots in his career. That is lot more than just an occasional fling when left open.

Eglseder attempted more than 50 3-point shots in his career. Kansas made a huge mistake in not looking at that as a possibility, the reason Jordan didn't shoot as many prior to that was that MVC teams knew about that and pressured him outside when he had it. He also played a lot fewer minutes as a senior than previous seasons. But the shot was still in his arsenal.

Singleton likewise attempted more than 30 shots in his career. He wasn't a very good shooter from out there, but he had the green light.

The arsenal goes in reverse as well. Matt Bohannon has developed a nice pump fake and dribble in for a jumper rather than staying out at the arc. It makes it harder to defend him knowing you can't just sell all out for him at the arc.

By the way, Adam Koch was 7 for 50 from the arc his first two seasons. Did Jake put the red light on for him?

This seems like the argument people were having about Deon missed lay-ups. He wasn't making them, so he should have just stopped trying, right? Would we have been a better team if other teams knew that Deon was NEVER going to try and drive to the rim?

[KingCat]

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Bennett probably won't shoot more then 10 threes in his career. He may find time playing the "4" but that won't mean he plays the same roll as Adam or jake with popping to shoot or space the floor. There are a ton of different ways to play with two bigs that aren't shooters... Teams have to live with this all the time. Although that's what's made uni difficult to guard over the years. Bennett will be a force in the post and I mean a dominate force in the post... I just hope for the sake of this team that it's this upcoming year and not the next. He will be a big part in how good our team can become.

[claw]

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I'm just saying is Koch at his current age/year, and Sir Buss at the same time were close to each other...One was 6'9 with not a great post game, but could shoot lights out and decent ball handler, horrible on defense..(never really improved much) and Koch, no outside game to speak of but is pretty decent down low and plays better defense than Buss (i'd argue, better defense as a RS Fr than Buss as a senior in the minutes he saw).

We are arguing oranges to apples. Had Buss developed a more dominant post game to go with his outside game, he'd be scary as opposed to..oh where is he on the 3pt line.

Not saying koch would be great at 3s or outside game, but if he did work on it to the level of betterment to add to his skill set, he'd be pretty darn good.
to go along with a post game I would bet is gonna be pretty dang good.

Had Egleseder never worked on his outside game in Jakes system...we never would have saw 2 straight 3s from the big guy against Kansas...effectively losing that game most likely. He wasn't great and he didn't shoot much but his ability to do so to go along with his post game (at least his senior year) made him a great player for us.

I have a 6'6 swing 4 playing point on my AAU team right now, but is by far the best post player I have and can dominate from inside-out. Could he not ball handle and shoot the outside jumper I'd just make him play post...but him playing point opens the whole floor up. I'd like to see that with Koch.

But anyway...team next year is gonna be special again..no doubt. can;t wait! Got my tickets reserved for Houston and the Final Four!

Exactly. The Buss comparison was an asinine comparison from the start. I still can't figure out why you made it other than they are both 6'9/6/10 and seem to think that every player that plays at UNI shoots 5 3s per game.

There is, and this is apparently where about 98% of this board seem to struggle, a MAJOR difference between a swing 4 and having a 3 as a part of the "arsenal".

O'Rear attempted 31 3s in his career at UNI. That comes out to 7.75 per season at UNI. Oh, and 16 of those came his freshman year when he WAS playing a 3/4 position. Jake figured out that he was a banger and he attempted less than that his next 3 years at a declining rate - 16, 9, 4 and 2.

Singleton shot 33 in his career, and his most was 14 this past season. He didn't force any 3s. In fact, I would bet if we went back and watched his tape 12 or 13 of those attempts he was at least 6 or 7 feet from the closest defender.

Jordan shot 54 in his career and 25 of those were his sophomore season (actually shot 36% that season from deep). You want to know why Kansas left him open when he hit those two? He was 1-10 on the season before those and 13-52 in his career.


Hell, I think Tut should be the example followed to develop Bennett because of what they were in HS and how they came in. Tut came in as a post player that didn't do a lot of outside shooting. His freshman year he shot 9 3s and his sophomore year was 18. His JR and SR years took off in attempts at 38 and 44. Why did that happen? Because his post game was already extremely developed and he could spend more time working on an outside shot to ADD to his arsenal. Not take time away from his bread and butter to try to throw another gun he didn't know how to use properly in his arsenal. Until Bennett has his post game at a level that Adam or Tut had there is zero reason to force him to work on his 3 point game at a rate any higher than he is now. Why is that so hard to understand for some?

To put Bennett and "swing 4" in the same sentence at any point in his careers is absolutely comical and I'd love to see how your AAU team is doing if that is your coaching method. Please, post a link if you actually coach a team. I've seen a lot of posters claim to be coaches but when called on out to prove it were found liars.

As far as what his role/where he'll fit on the floor with everyone else in the post in 2 years? Well, having 2 bigs on the floor has worked pretty well in the past - Jordan, Adam and Lucas shared the floor pretty well.

So yes, it would be nice if one of the bigs could develop a bit of a mid-range or deeper threat to be able to space/stretch the floor but to take time away from inside development would be silly. Two years from now Bennett will be a JR/SR and could/should(?) be to the point of being able to spend more time on developing his outside game.

[KingCat]

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This is hilarious to me. Trust me when I say bennett will not be shooting threes. **** he won't even be shooting threes in his individual workouts all summer long. The coaches will have him shoot 15 footers but nothing more extended than that. If Bennett can change his mindset and realize how good he could be he will be one of the best post players in the league this upcoming season.

[claw]

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This is hilarious to me. Trust me when I say bennett will not be shooting threes. **** he won't even be shooting threes in his individual workouts all summer long. The coaches will have him shoot 15 footers but nothing more extended than that. If Bennett can change his mindset and realize how good he could be he will be one of the best post players in the league this upcoming season.

Exactly this.

There is ZERO need for Bennett to work on anything outside the distance of a mid range game. Why take time away from developing what can actually help this team?

[06panther10]

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Steve Schofield mentioned on OPR today the possibility of the SFA home game being a part of the ESPN marathon again this year, possibly another morning tip.

Ehhh...