Looking at 2015-2016

[ProwlingPanther]

Well you target them and get them. Ever gone to division I juco game in Iowa?

If the assistance can't do it get different ones. Getting Iowa and Iowa state leftovers doesn't require skill.

If once every five years is enough that is fine. Admit it. Don't tell me a consistent valley power is going to be made with the the current pattern. People on here saying push for elite eight and final fours. Gonzaga of the Midwest. All of this is possible with the desired short unathletic types that some here covet?

Thanks for the laughs.


Roflmao at the guy that prefers short u athletic guys. Seriously that ranks up there with the time Panther-state said a full ride offer isn't required to show interest in a recruit.

you can't make up the depths of the koolaid in here. "I prefer small unathletic players ". RoflMao

[run&blade]

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Now that guys is big and athletic. Obviously not needed.

[SteinPizza]

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Now that guys is big and athletic. Obviously not needed.

And obviously not white and from a small Iowa town. No way he could play.

['70 Grad]

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[QUOTE=run&blade;418129]Well you target them and get them.

Wow! Great idea. Don't tell anybody else!

Roflmao back at you. 289 posts in this off-target thread. Dog days of summer already.

[panther-state]

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Does R&B know what athletic means?

[06panther10]

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If once every five years is enough that is fine. Admit it. Don't tell me a consistent valley power is going to be made with the the current pattern. People on here saying push for elite eight and final fours. Gonzaga of the Midwest. All of this is possible with the desired short unathletic types that some here covet?

Roflmao at the guy that prefers short u athletic guys. Seriously that ranks up there with the time Panther-state said a full ride offer isn't required to show interest in a recruit.

you can't make up the depths of the koolaid in here. "I prefer small unathletic players ". RoflMao

Nobody thinks any of those things.

[06panther10]

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I absolutely love that r&b has a genuine reverence for the talent at the JUCO level, but he just despises the talent that UNI has recruited.

[run&blade]

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Nobody thinks any of those things.

Than why did they type them? You can read the one about wanting short unathletic guys in this thread and the scholarship one is in the Olivier thread.

I am not making it up.

[claw]

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How many JUCO kids from Iowa (Marshalltown, Kirkwood, Elsworth, Iowa Central, etc...) are actually recruited by D1 schools and actually play any significant time?

I know Illinois State had Tyler Brown from Marshalltown that was a very nice player for them. However, he was a 6'3 guard...not a 7' center with 8' range and 98" vertical.

He was also suspended during his senior season for a "violation of team rules" that ended up being getting caught (by posting his activity on social media) doing illegal drugs and drinking "sizzurp". Shockingly ISU gave him a harsh punishment a suspension that started Jan 9 and saw him reinstated for the Jan 16 game against WSU..

He had some flashy dunks, but his senior year 205 of his 411 shots were 3 pointers (49.9999%). He also had an A:TO < 1.

Any other Iowa JUCOs that I'm unaware of, and I'm sure there are some I am unaware quite honestly.

Just because a kid can run really fast or jump really high doesn't mean he can play D1 basketball at a level that isn't "low-major". Go watch the MAAC, Big West, OVC, Big South, SWAC, etc... Those programs are filled with kids that are extremely athletic - long, fast, can jump, etc... but there is a reason they are at Niagra, Liberty, Charleston Southern, Southern, Cal State-Insert one of the 100 of them, etc...

The college game is about system and players fitting the system more than athletic guys running up and down the court. The NBA is certainly about athleticism. College isn't.

[Khan4Cats]

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We played a team that put two 7 footers out against us last year surrounded by some athletic wings. We rolled them by 20 points. They won less than 10 games. So much for big and athletic. They were East Coast ballers too!

[achrist70]

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I would say that Iowa JUCOs have somewhere around 5 division 1 caliber players every year, now some years those are Valley level talent or above, and some years that is low major talent.

[run&blade]

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Iowa state has had a nice pipeline from Indian hills. They know they can't recruit straight up against the powers in the big xii so they explore other routes.

Houge and McCay where excellent additions.

Depends on what the goal is. If building up for one run every four years is the goal I think the current path is fine. If you want to do better than that I think you need to look outside the box.

Juco is a great place to dip in and grab some athletes. Guys that can create their own shot and not be so dependent on six screens and a kick out.

With Tuttle gone there is a big danger in falling in to that awful offense where the ball is passed around the perimeter for 30 seconds and the last guy chucks a three.

[SteinPizza]

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Juco is a great place to dip in and grab some athletes. Guys that can create their own shot and not be so dependent on six screens and a kick out.

With Tuttle gone there is a big danger in falling in to that awful offense where the ball is passed around the perimeter for 30 seconds and the last guy chucks a three.

Some of you may not like it, but R&B is directionally correct in both points above. Guys who can create will always have an advantage over shooters who need elaborate set plays to get open. They're a lot easier than defend, for one thing.

Also, many of us were not fans of the "pass it around and take a bad three" offense that was semi-common a few years ago. Tuttle was a huge advantage, since he could get it on the block and create a shot or foul for himself. Add in Deon, who had the ability to drive and draw fouls, and there you go. Whil the current Panthers are more athletic and longer at certain positions, the loss of those two will be felt. For obvious reasons, we should be far more confident that Wes can fill Deon's role than one of the younger guys filling Tuttle's. Time will tell. Tuttle really didn't become a big inside force until roughly midway through his junior year.

I don't agree with everything R&B writes, but he does have some good points.

[06panther10]

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Iowa state has had a nice pipeline from Indian hills. They know they can't recruit straight up against the powers in the big xii so they explore other routes.

Houge and McCay where excellent additions.

Depends on what the goal is. If building up for one run every four years is the goal I think the current path is fine. If you want to do better than that I think you need to look outside the box.

Juco is a great place to dip in and grab some athletes. Guys that can create their own shot and not be so dependent on six screens and a kick out.

With Tuttle gone there is a big danger in falling in to that awful offense where the ball is passed around the perimeter for 30 seconds and the last guy chucks a three.

UNI has been to the tournament more times than ISU has in this past decade.

UNI has taken many D1 transfers, JUCO transfers, and a mix of in-state and out of state HS players in that time, which has been a period of unprecedented success.

I don't even know what you are are arguing anymore, because you are just blatantly ignoring actual results.

[06panther10]

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Some of you may not like it, but R&B is directionally correct in both points above. Guys who can create will always have an advantage over shooters who need elaborate set plays to get open. They're a lot easier than defend, for one thing.

Also, many of us were not fans of the "pass it around and take a bad three" offense that was semi-common a few years ago. Tuttle was a huge advantage, since he could get it on the block and create a shot or foul for himself. Add in Deon, who had the ability to drive and draw fouls, and there you go. Whil the current Panthers are more athletic and longer at certain positions, the loss of those two will be felt. For obvious reasons, we should be far more confident that Wes can fill Deon's role than one of the younger guys filling Tuttle's. Time will tell. Tuttle really didn't become a big inside force until roughly midway through his junior year.

I don't agree with everything R&B writes, but he does have some good points.

What good point? The idea that replacing an All American post player will not be an easy transition? Well what freaking geniuses you guys are.

Maybe that's why the coaching staff has 5 different post players lined up to replace that production. The staff developed Tuttle into a dominant force over the course of his 4 years, and they working on developing the next wave of guys right now.

I know you two will just completely ignore this fact because almost none of our guys are random JUCO kids from Marshalltown, but UNI's roster last year and next is probably the biggest and most athletic collection of talent that the program has seen. A handful of 6'7-6'10 post players, guys that are 6'4+ on the wing, and some tremendous athleticism in the back court.