Game 8: Jackson State @ UNI

[UNIAlum95]

Less thought about others picking up football and more thought about us dropping football would really benefit us in the long run...

Completely disagree. Yes football is the biggest resource drain on the department BUT football can be the biggest revenue generator for the department as well. We just apparently don't care enough to make the necessary changes to reinvigorate the fan base. Yes that starts with the product on the field but there are plenty of other things that can be done to build atmosphere again. You just have to have the leadership with vision and desire to do it. The dome is a destination for state football and that is an automatic recruiting bonus for us if we actually know what we are doing by creating facilities that the tweener kids look at and say, I want to play college football there. This is something that is fundamental for an AD and his staff to be constantly building and as discussed ad nauseam on this forum, this administration along with the previous had no real desire to make those necessary changes.

[ofpantherandman]

Completely disagree. Yes football is the biggest resource drain on the department BUT football can be the biggest revenue generator for the department as well. We just apparently don't care enough to make the necessary changes to reinvigorate the fan base. Yes that starts with the product on the field but there are plenty of other things that can be done to build atmosphere again. You just have to have the leadership with vision and desire to do it. The dome is a destination for state football and that is an automatic recruiting bonus for us if we actually know what we are doing by creating facilities that the tweener kids look at and say, I want to play college football there. This is something that is fundamental for an AD and his staff to be constantly building and as discussed ad nauseam on this forum, this administration along with the previous had no real desire to make those necessary changes.

I appreciate your optimism, but I don't share it.

[SteinPizza]

Less thought about others picking up football and more thought about us dropping football would really benefit us in the long run...

Now there’s a bombshell topic for discussion. I don’t want to see scholarship football get dropped, but the debate would be entertaining. Other men’s Olympic sports would/should be on the chopping block first.

For the record, I’m not suggesting others pick up scholarship football. It’s cost prohibitive and unrealistic for most if not all.

[UNIpanther99]

Now there’s a bombshell topic for discussion. I don’t want to see scholarship football get dropped, but the debate would be entertaining. Other men’s Olympic sports would/should be on the chopping block first.

For the record, I’m not suggesting others pick up scholarship football. It’s cost prohibitive and unrealistic for most if not all.

Unless the rules have changed, I don't believe UNI can drop any additional MVC (not MVFC) sports and remain a member of the conference.

[vbfan19]

the target number is around 150.

only 3 of the 10 MVC schools are in the top 150 for basketball. So if you're looking to trim 200 schools from the DI ranks, there is a good chance UNI would not survive the cut.

[BCPanther]

only 3 of the 10 MVC schools are in the top 150 for basketball. So if you're looking to trim 200 schools from the DI ranks, there is a good chance UNI would not survive the cut.

Yep, because they are going to look at one random year's NET rankings with no other considerations at all.

My god, just when I give you the benefit of the doubt...

[06panther10]

only 3 of the 10 MVC schools are in the top 150 for basketball. So if you're looking to trim 200 schools from the DI ranks, there is a good chance UNI would not survive the cut.

You are a mush brained moron. Please leave this board.

[A Fan In Lean Years]

You are a mush brained moron. Please leave this board.

Because the person has a differing view, while never insulting you in the process?

Good, God, it's sure nice to see that you're content in life, eh?

[vbfan19]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the exemption for non-scholarship football was eliminated, or lack of football altogether (Wichita State). Force those schools to play DII or below. I’m not saying I’m in favor of doing that, just an interesting thing to ponder what the reaction would be from the affected schools and how it would change the landscape.

why single out football as a mandatory criteria for Division I membership?
perhaps it should be baseball or lacrosse.
Or leave it as it is and give schools the option as to how to handle their athletic department.

[SteinPizza]

why single out football as a mandatory criteria for Division I membership?
perhaps it should be baseball or lacrosse.
Or leave it as it is and give schools the option as to how to handle their athletic department.

Football generates the revenue. Enough said.

That said, I’ve never been happy with all the Olympic sports being eliminated. What needs to happen is some kind of exemption for football from the rules requiring scholarship equalization in mens/womens sports. It’s logical given that there’s no female equivalent.

[BCPanther]

Add Beach Volleyball and Bowling as women's sports.

[not a drake fan]

No. There are 69 P5 teams when you include the new adds to the Big 12 and the target number is around 150.

It's actually a Jay Bilas idea. The 11 leagues that sponsor FBS Football plus the A10, the Valley, the WCC and the Ivy League.

Imagine a tournament where the 16 seeds are the 4th place teams in the Valley or WCC rather than a Patriot League team with a .500 record. TV ratings would explode and every single game would be competitive.

Agree that it would be more competitive tournament. I don't think that's what we want though.

As I understand it, it wouldn't be the 4th place Valley team that benefits. Those 20ish low major autobids would go to teams ranked in the 35-55ish zone, who were previously just on the wrong side of the bubble. Most of which are going to be P6 schools on a given year. This year, the Valley would still be a 1 bid league. 2020 UNI would have benefited and gotten in, though. So yes, your odds of getting in as a Valley team would be marginally higher.

For the most part you'd be taking our 20 non-P6 schools and replacing them with mostly P6 schools*. I get why people like Jay Bilas are in on that, but to me it would just be a step towards P6 autonomy and I would rather see the low major leagues be included.

PLUS: the MVC autobid is often going to be a 15-16 seed, and it's going to be really hard for a mid major team to make ever any noise in that tournament. Not going to get many of those 5/12 matchups anymore.

_________________ *If I use that arbitrary 35-55 Kenpom range as the beneficiaries of this - this year that would be 14 P6 schools and 6 Group-Of-Whatever-You-Want-To-Call-Them. Should technically look at the NET rankings instead, but those are garbage at this point in the season.

[BCPanther]

Agree that it would be more competitive tournament. I don't think that's what we want though.

As I understand it, it wouldn't be the 4th place Valley team that benefits. Those 20ish low major autobids would go to teams ranked in the 35-55ish zone, who were previously just on the wrong side of the bubble. Most of which are going to be P6 schools on a given year. This year, the Valley would still be a 1 bid league. 2020 UNI would have benefited and gotten in, though. So yes, your odds of getting in as a Valley team would be marginally higher.

For the most part you'd be taking our 20 non-P6 schools and replacing them with mostly P6 schools*. I get why people like Jay Bilas are in on that, but to me it would just be a step towards P6 autonomy and I would rather see the low major leagues be included.

PLUS: the MVC autobid is often going to be a 15-16 seed, and it's going to be really hard for a mid major team to make ever any noise in that tournament. Not going to get many of those 5/12 matchups anymore.

_________________ *If I use that arbitrary 35-55 Kenpom range as the beneficiaries of this - this year that would be 14 P6 schools and 6 Group-Of-Whatever-You-Want-To-Call-Them. Should technically look at the NET rankings instead, but those are garbage at this point in the season.

I didn't go deep enough into the Bilas proposal in my post.

He advocates a 96 team tournament with each of the 15 leagues guaranteed a minimum of 4 bids. Giving CBS/Turner two more full days of basketball is probably worth $300M extra each year.

[not a drake fan]

Oh okay, totally forget my nonsense post then. Thanks.