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  • #91
    hahaha! I was just explainin' how it got done!

    They have one fewer conference foe (compared to the MVC), but they are also bringing in some not so great teams. We play road games b/c the bigger schools won't play on our home courts. I would just like to see more MVC home games against BCS schools (and not necessarily home games, but rather home and home contracts).
    The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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    • #92
      PTTB...
      What I'm trying to say is that if we did try and play a selective / rotating conference schedule like the Big 12 /10.

      We would have a very difficult time keeping our SOS up with the open dates we could play...

      No BCS is coming to the McCleod Center. We would be on the road even more to try and get a Higher RPI, SOS, ect...
      Last edited by Coachdags; 03-12-2007, 04:58 PM.

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      • #93
        Coachdags-

        Just for clarification, my post (#91), was in reference to Newsbreaker's post. By the time I replied to his post, you had posted #90 in there.

        What do you mean we would have a difficult time keeping our SOS up with the open dates we could play? Do you mean, if the MVC played a 16 game conference schedule?

        I agree, it's hard for BCS schools to be convinced to play at the McLeod Center (which is why it's great Iowa/ISU agree to do so). I just wish there was an incentive out there (other than getting quality wins on the road), that would encourage more home and home contracts with BCS/MVC teams. I'm not asking for the NCAA to step in and mandate scheduling, but it just seems as if these teams who don't play MVC opponents in home/homes are still being rewarded for sub-par non-con schedules (and few overall road wins).
        The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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        • #94
          I agree with everything you said...

          But how can we get the BCS schools to do it..?

          And yes some BCS / Other Confrences play between 14-18 games, this I believe helps the Big 10/12....Could it help us..I am not so sure..?

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          • #95
            how about this, ALL teams must have an equal number of home to away games. And ALL conferences must play each team home/away.
            "I think they're very good," Farley said of the preseason top 25 Hawkeyes. "But so are we."

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            • #96
              Originally posted by sauserj View Post
              how about this, ALL teams must have an equal number of home to away games. And ALL conferences must play each team home/away.
              That would actually make our problem much, much worse.

              First, the Big East would have a 90 game season.

              Second, look at the Big XII...you'd have to play the other 11 teams twice each, that's 22 conference games. Assuming you play between 30 and 35 games, that means you only have 8-13 non-conference games left to give, meaning it's much, much harder to schedule games that boost your RPI.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Coachdags View Post
                I agree with everything you said...

                But how can we get the BCS schools to do it..?

                And yes some BCS / Other Confrences play between 14-18 games, this I believe helps the Big 10/12....Could it help us..I am not so sure..?
                Good question. If the Valley is down (like I think it will be next year), I think playing 18 conference games is good, as I think it will bring the Valley's SOS/RPI up. If the Valley has a good year (like this year and last), I think that playing 18 conference games is going to bring the SOS/RPI down, due to playing .500 ball in conference (over more games).

                How can things change?

                Like I said before, I am not all about the NCAA mandating schedules. I think the art of scheduling is something that benefits teams like UNI (or other schools that have solid schedulers/assistants). However, if the NCAA were to state that each school had to play within one game of 1/2 of their non-conference games on the road or at a neutral site, it would begin to level the playing field, in addition to stopping the # of D2 schools coming D1 (and maybe pushing those current lower tier D1 schools down to D2). It would do a couple things.

                1. It would make for fewer 'guarantee' games
                2. B/c of fewer 'guarantee' games, there would be more opportunities for home/homes with BCS conferences
                3. There would be more neutral site 'exempt tournaments' (instead of tournaments like Washington this past year/UNI next year)...creating more opportunities for BCS vs. non-BCS matchups
                4. B/c there are fewer 'guarantee' games, there would be fewer teams who play double digit guarantee games, and thus make life at the D1 level harder-->thus making the decision to put more resources to staying D1 or dropping down.

                Those would be some suggestions I might make if going the NCAA mandate way.
                The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post
                  That would actually make our problem much, much worse.

                  First, the Big East would have a 90 game season.

                  Second, look at the Big XII...you'd have to play the other 11 teams twice each, that's 22 conference games. Assuming you play between 30 and 35 games, that means you only have 8-13 non-conference games left to give, meaning it's much, much harder to schedule games that boost your RPI.
                  Seriously, I think this is interesting why do you think this would make UNI's situation worse?

                  But what if having to play the same number of home/away games had always been the mandate? Do you really think there would be 16 teams in the Big East? No, I don't think you would see any conferences with more than 10 teams. There would more than likely be fewer D1 teams as well since there would probably be fewer guarantee games. There wouldn't be over a 100 teams with 20+ wins like there is this year (I read that somewhere but can't remember where). I guess I don't see how this wouldn't level the playing field a little bit. I know this will never happen but I would love to see something in place so teams like maryland (just throwing them out there there's plenty of others) would have to leave their home court more than once or twice in the non-conference.
                  "I think they're very good," Farley said of the preseason top 25 Hawkeyes. "But so are we."

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Panthers to the Bone View Post
                    MSU beat Wichita (top 100 team), and then lost to Creighton, who beat #11 SIU by double digits. Why should MSU be penalized for having one bad tournament game to a team that won the conference tourney championship?
                    I don't think they were penalized for one bad tournament game. The problem was they weren't EVER able to beat SIU or Creighton, and they had 5 opportunities to do so. It wasn't so much the MVC tourney that did them in, it was the fact that besides their Wisconsin win, they had a lot of other losses working against them.

                    However the whole thing stinks. The Valley was a top 6 conference again this year. It's time they're treated as one. If Stanford and Arkansas can get in, Missouri State should be able to too.

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                    • #100
                      jman-

                      They lost to two teams, in the top 20 RPI and top 25 in poll(s), a combined 5 times. They only had one bad loss (still in the top 150 RPI) to a team they beat by 52 the week before. Illinois went 1 for 6 against top 25 teams (and 0-fer against top 20 teams). They both had similar last 10 records. With MSU's corrected W/L record, they were both at the same # of wins (although Ill had more D1 wins...by one), Illinois had more losses. MSU had more top 100 wins than IL...although IL had one more top 50 win. IL had zero true top 50 road wins (2 neutral wins), whereas MSU had 1 true top 50 road win (same as one of IL's neutral wins) and a neutral win against a team that IL was 0-2 against. Difference? The easy 'sour grapes' comment is that, "well, one was in a BCS conference...the other wasn't." So, I guess I'll go with, "Illinois played more top 50 teams, while playing the same number of 100+, and 200+ teams...and even though MSU played more road/neutral games, Illinois had a better non-conference SOS".
                      The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                      • #101
                        It'd be interesting to hear what the committee has to say about WHY exactly teams like Illinois, Arkansas, and Stanford got in and WHY exactly teams like Air Force, Drexel, and Missouri State were left out.

                        The selection committee does all that same research. They're going to find the same things you did. Why then, when the numbers show how strong of a contender Missouri State is, would the deliberately choose to go the other way? It doesn't make any sense to me.

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by jman2004 View Post
                          It'd be interesting to hear what the committee has to say about WHY exactly teams like Illinois, Arkansas, and Stanford got in and WHY exactly teams like Air Force, Drexel, and Missouri State were left out.

                          The selection committee does all that same research. They're going to find the same things you did. Why then, when the numbers show how strong of a contender Missouri State is, would the deliberately choose to go the other way? It doesn't make any sense to me.
                          Wouldn't it be nice if they published the criteria they used in selecting or not selecting a team. That would certainly either put pressure on them to change or support some unknown reason for their thinking. I think that would be an excellent addition to this process. Make this committee support its decisions.
                          If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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                          • #103
                            I Got The Answer....

                            NEVER LOSE !

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Coachdags View Post
                              I Got The Answer....

                              NEVER LOSE !
                              Okay. Now let's get back to reality...
                              If computers ruled college basketball the way they do football, we'd have skipped all this March Madness monotony and just waited a month for the Kansas-Kentucky title game. And watched Northern Iowa play Cornell in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl. ~ Dwight Perry The Seattle Times

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                              • #105
                                I hope Illinois wins their first round game and SIU does too...and then I hope SIU BEATS THE CRAP out of the Illini.
                                "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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