Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[Barnstormer]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

If you knew your friends were not 21 years of age, and you knew they were drinking alcohol, but you didn't call the cops, should you be punished?

Underage drinking is illegal activity.

Should you be punished? Heck no. But if they are doing it at your house and the cops come, don't you in fact get in trouble legally?

And I don't really care about the law.. I'm just curious about team rules.. kinda like that Good Conduct policy High Schools do. I hope the other two dudes are innocent and can play.

[Marc Wigim]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Might that have something to do with the fact that it is illegal?

No. And that's all I'm going to say on that subject.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

Not true one of my closest friends on the team said the were leaving at noon..

it's past noon.

[UNIAlum95]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

No. And that's all I'm going to say on that subject.

Right cause pot does no harm...

[Purple For Life]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

A couple more thoughts, then I'll step off my soapbox--

Do you realize the sheer amount of money this country would save if (a) we ceased the so-called War on Drugs against marijuana and (b) regulated and taxed it? So many millions of dollars being spent and that could be taken in if we legalized and regulated it.

Also, remember Chris Parsons? He got hooked on LEGAL, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. So should we outlaw those as well? They have beneficial properties, so does pot. Where should we honestly draw the line? I also know of people who were busted selling pot--know why they were? They were making the money to sell OxyContin. Which as we all know, is a legal prescription drug. It is approved for sale and regulated by the government. And yet, it's abused heavily.

Hell, there was an article in the Register about how prescription drug abuse among teens has shot up. Really, where do we draw the line? Why are we prosecuting people for this? Don't we have better things to do with our time and money?

The frustrating thing for me personally, is that I've read several scholarly articles on this sort of thing, and it's been helpful in clinical trials for AD/HD. My prescription medication (and I've tried just about everything you can take) is semi-helpful, but in comparison to the trial participants, not nearly as effective.

So that's why I care, in case you were wondering...

Aaaaand I'm out for the evening.

[Purple For Life]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Might that have something to do with the fact that it is illegal?

No, it has everything to do with the fact that it does not have the same effect as you would be led to believe.

[Panther789]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

No. And that's all I'm going to say on that subject.

Thank goodness.

[Panther789]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Aaaaand I'm out for the evening.

Thank goodness.

[Alum 99']

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Here is an interesting idea..if a player is suspended and cut from the team it would be nice to see their scholarship revoked and the money they were given for school turned into a loan....just a thought

[Dutch]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Here is an interesting idea..if a player is suspended and cut from the team it would be nice to see their scholarship revoked and the money they were given for school turned into a loan....just a thought

Alum, I was talking to Butch(one of the guys who takes tickets at the football games) and he mentioned the same thing. Basically, give an athlete a scholarship but make it known that if they get in ANY legal/off the field trouble they will have to pay every single cent of it back. I love the idea, it'd be an extreme form of accountability.

[UNIAlum95]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

A couple more thoughts, then I'll step off my soapbox--

Do you realize the sheer amount of money this country would save if (a) we ceased the so-called War on Drugs against marijuana and (b) regulated and taxed it? So many millions of dollars being spent and that could be taken in if we legalized and regulated it.

Also, remember Chris Parsons? He got hooked on LEGAL, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. So should we outlaw those as well? They have beneficial properties, so does pot. Where should we honestly draw the line? I also know of people who were busted selling pot--know why they were? They were making the money to sell OxyContin. Which as we all know, is a legal prescription drug. It is approved for sale and regulated by the government. And yet, it's abused heavily.

Hell, there was an article in the Register about how prescription drug abuse among teens has shot up. Really, where do we draw the line? Why are we prosecuting people for this? Don't we have better things to do with our time and money?

The frustrating thing for me personally, is that I've read several scholarly articles on this sort of thing, and it's been helpful in clinical trials for AD/HD. My prescription medication (and I've tried just about everything you can take) is semi-helpful, but in comparison to the trial participants, not nearly as effective.

So that's why I care, in case you were wondering...

Aaaaand I'm out for the evening.

Yes the government could save billions in not regulating everything in this country. Using pot as an example of wasted government spending is a poor example. Sorry.

Parsons got hooked on legal prescription drugs that he used ILLEGALLY. Big difference. He used them to get high or not feel pain, whatever. He didn't do it by order of a physician.

You say you've read several "scholarly" articles about the greatness of pot. I'm not sure what defines scholarly but I bet in 5 minutes, I can find "scholarly" articles to the contrary. The fact is that it is against the law and until that law no longer exists, I don't care if it is pot or crack. It's a drug and it is illegal.

[06panther10]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I heard the story of what happened today. Basically, there was a party at their house last night and Gray sold to an undercover agent, and today they busted into the house and arrested them this morning.

This sucks and is just plain embarassing to EVERYONE invovled with UNI athletics. ESPECIALLY the fans who adored these guys for so long.

Sounds like good news on the Loyd and Harris part though, right? It would be MUCH bigger for our football team to lose those guys, if you ask me.

[Marc Wigim]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Thank goodness.

My, my... aren't WE catty this evening? Have some respect for other people's opinion. That's the only thing I ask in this entire debate.

[Panther789]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

My, my... aren't WE catty this evening? Have some respect for other people's opinion. That's the only thing I ask in this entire debate.

I respect your opinion. I dont respect your decision to comment on someone else's opinion in one sentence and then make it clear in the next that you are unwilling to respond further.

[Panther-at-Arms]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

No, it has everything to do with the fact that it does not have the same effect as you would be led to believe.

If you actually believe that you have been seriously misled. Not only does pot have serious negative effects such as physical and mental impairment, it is also a "gateway" drug. I know that term is overused and cliche, but it's true. I would love to know what these "scholarly" articles were.

And as for this war on drugs...why stop at legalizing weed? If what you say is true we should legalize ALL illicit drugs. Let's start with Meth, that has no negative effects either. How about PCP? Heroin? We can just make a ton of money selling legally to drug users and there would be NO ill effects that would come from THAT, now would there?