Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

Learned today during the playoffs and our whole family feels ill about this.

here, have some of this....
I hear it reduces nausea.

[Alum 99']

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

JayJ79.....yes...if the student is on an academic scholarship and gets kicked out of school..then yes it should also be turned into a loan...i don't want any of my money tax or donated to go to any of these kids...

[lightnin49]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20081114/SPORTS020702/81114027

Well said, T.D. Been nice knowing ya, Victor & Johnny. Good luck in the future, what ever that means. At wide receiver, next year starts tomorrow. Go Panthers!

[Former_Gator_84_88]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

Makes sense, one pothead campaigning for another.

So he's good enough to play for your favorite team but he's not good enough to volunteer for the best candidate this country has to turn the image and the economy of this country around huh? It's almost hypocritical. Then you REALLY wouldn't like me because i also campaigned and was a fundraiser in both Florida and Tenn for PRESIDENT OBAMA.

[Newt99]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Dammit!

Everything that there is to say has pretty much already been said in this thread, so I'm just going to go with this.

[MediaPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Hallucinations are hell, huh?

Is that your only comeback?? Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being high?

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

You THINK there's a CHANCE?

Please don't post this crap. Wait for the facts to come out. Good god.

interesting.

when people THAT KNOW dont know the answer, i think its worth consideration. i apologize for not posting from the plane.

like it or not, if you accept a scholarship to UNI, there are discussions about your goings on. if you have a problem with my posts, there is a PM function

[Twin Cities Panther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Is that your only comeback?? Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being high?

It is about as much of a comeback as your feeble-minded post deserved. Of course I don't lose it when people cut me off in traffic. I slowly and discretely follow them home and return in the dead of night and burn their house down.

[Purple For Life]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Prohibition was a horrible idea and ended up being a complete disaster.

...and the same can be said for pot.

I'm inclined to agree with the libertarian views on this one.

[Panther789]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Absolutely fair response. The reason I didn't go any further is because I figure my addition to the already-lively debate was unnecessary. Suffice to say I'm a Libertarian, and I have most of the views that go with that particular train of thought. I just didn't want to become a bloated idiot with a megaphone.

Fair enough. Hopefully, with the start of hoops season, and the football team's run through the playoffs, we will find ourselves talking about this sort of thing less and less.

[Alum 99']

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Back2BackCats....It is the fault of the student for not obtaining their degree....How would they be able to sue...so your saying if I would not have obtained my degree I could sue the University..just doesn't make sense...is there not any responsibility for students anymore???????

[Back2BackCats]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Back2BackCats....It is the fault of the student for not obtaining their degree....How would they be able to sue...so your saying if I would not have obtained my degree I could sue the University..just doesn't make sense...is there not any responsibility for students anymore???????

I agree with you completely, but I can also tell you that during recruiting it's the schools making all the promises. When they are sitting in your house they are not asking for anything from the recruit, if you want a recruit to pay back the scholarship if they get into trouble why can't the recruit sue if the school doesn't deliver the degree that was promised. I'm also not sure how a school can expect more from scholarship students than from the general student base for the same actions. I would think treating one group different than another would cause legal issues. I wish schools were not having these issues but I don't think you are going to stop it. I also don't think it's a whole lot different than it was 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

[JCPanthers]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I agree with you completely, I'm just saying the University also has responsibility, they are the ones that seeked out the scholarship students so it makes no sense that the student would have to pay back any money that was offered to them. How can a University expect more from scholarship students than from the general student base for the same actions. I would think treating one group different than another would cause legal issues. I wish schools were not having these issues but I don't think you are going to stop it.

The general student base isn't receiving a free education....that's why.

[Back2BackCats]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

But the law is the same for both if you are not going to punish one how can you punish the other. Is this based strictly on money, thats where I feel you would run into legal issues. I also think this is so wide spread through out college athletics that you would either drop most of your sports or the quality would drop dramatically. Where are you going to get your athletes we have already determined that most of the general student base is participating in the same activities.

[JCPanthers]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

But the law is the same for both if you are not going to punish one how can you punish the other. Is this based strictly on money, thats where I feel you would run into legal issues. I also think this is so wide spread through out college athletics that you would either drop most of your sports or the quality would drop dramatically. Where are you going to get your athletes we have already determined that most of the general student base is participating in the same activities.

Oh I think both general students and student-athletes on scholarship should be punished to the full extent of the law. My arguement...and maybe I got in on this late...is that when a student athlete is given a full-ride scholarship he/she should sign some form of "good conduct" code so that if something like what happened to Parsons, Gray and Williams occurs, they should have to pay the money back to the University.