Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

In most states, a felony conviction can be the basis of denied employment or housing until you die. States like CA limit its use for 7 years for most employers. However, with a drug felony on you record, you are likely to be denied employment with most health care organizations, law enforcement, any thing to do with kids, etc. Chances are, you will have that come up over and over, reducing your ability to earn a living.

Drug laws in this country are ridiculous. What he did was wrong, certainly. But a FELONY? (or should I say, TWO felonies, with that ridiculous "drug tax stamp" business) Nonsense.

You can kill someone and under the right circumstances, it won't even be considered a felony. Yet he (allegedly) did something who doesn't even harm anyone (other than perhaps himself), and gets slapped with two felony charges.

And don't argue that "he was dealing it, thus he was hurting others". Because unless he was forcing a bong down someone's throat, then it is the buyers free will to buy drugs.

[Panther-at-Arms]

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You can kill someone and under the right circumstances, it won't even be considered a felony. Yet he (allegedly) did something who doesn't even harm anyone (other than perhaps himself), and gets slapped with two felony charges.

What circumstances are those??? There isn't a single murder/homicide in the book that is less than a Class D.

I love how so many people think drug laws are just The Man getting The People down. How is it going to fix anything by legalizing drugs? Less people get arrested so everything is suddenly peachy keen sunshine and roses? Wake up, people.

[UNIAlum95]

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Drug laws in this country are ridiculous. What he did was wrong, certainly. But a FELONY? (or should I say, TWO felonies, with that ridiculous "drug tax stamp" business) Nonsense.

You can kill someone and under the right circumstances, it won't even be considered a felony. Yet he (allegedly) did something who doesn't even harm anyone (other than perhaps himself), and gets slapped with two felony charges.

And don't argue that "he was dealing it, thus he was hurting others". Because unless he was forcing a bong down someone's throat, then it is the buyers free will to buy drugs.

Wow dealing drugs doesn't merit a felony charge in your world. I am personally glad you don't write our laws...

[Trapped in California]

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Stealing $500 worth of property is a felony in most states.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Love the idea of a scholarship being a contract on the part of the school and the athlete. That said, if an athlete is doing everything that the school required of him / her, then they will receive $$ to get an education (if they so choose). However, if they don't (ie. arrest / misconduct), then they will have to repay that money in full to the school. It isn't "further punishment" as some are trying to contend...it is fairness to the school that went out on some sort of limb for you. If it ended up being a deterent of some sort (which I doubt it would since we are talking about college kids here), then that is just a bonus. Money is tight, though and there isn't enough of it to throw away. Different but similar note, I think a kid that leaves early for the pros should have to repay his scholly, too.

[Deke3]

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Drug laws in this country are ridiculous. What he did was wrong, certainly. But a FELONY? (or should I say, TWO felonies, with that ridiculous "drug tax stamp" business) Nonsense.

You can kill someone and under the right circumstances, it won't even be considered a felony. Yet he (allegedly) did something who doesn't even harm anyone (other than perhaps himself), and gets slapped with two felony charges.

And don't argue that "he was dealing it, thus he was hurting others". Because unless he was forcing a bong down someone's throat, then it is the buyers free will to buy drugs.

Come on Jayj79... your statements are ridiculous...stop while you're ahead.

[GonzoCat]

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This idea of making athletes pay back all their scholarships if they ever get in any trouble has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen suggested. Good luck getting anyone to come to UNI if we tried that on our own, and good luck getting the NCAA to go for it. The NCAA is a multi-billion dollar business enterprise that takes advantage of athletically gifted young people to provide entertainment to the masses at dirt cheap pay rates compared to the revenue they bring in.

And the poster who asked how you'd like it if your employer required you to pay back your salary if you get in any trouble had an absolutely valid point. Maybe not 20 years, but say 5, which is what is being suggested for athletes.

I think people are really upset about the events of yesterday, which we have a right to be, but are overreacting with some of this stuff. Give it a few days to settle down and maybe you will think a little more clearly.

[CanuckPanther]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobsboy84
Wow, what a positive post. joecooll6......you really are cool. Will you marry one of my daughters?

Yes .
__________________
Sincerely,
The Future AD of the University of Northern Iowa


To hell with marrying his daughter, marry ME!!! ROFL
(And I hope you really are who I think you are, joecool, as I KNOW you have a good sense of humour, and will just laugh at this comment. And if you are, I also have a photo to send you.)

[Trapped in California]

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Just wondering, would people's minds change if the alleged dealing was something different than MJ? What about cocaine, meth, or heroin?

Just curious is the ambivalence of some deals specifically with their views on marijuana, or controlled substances in general?

[CanuckPanther]

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I guess I am way too depressed right now to read everything, so this might have been said, and said and said again. But, you know, these guys who do these things have definitely destroyed their lives. And YES that IS the most important thing. But I wonder if they even begin to understand what they do to the rest of us? These two, added to Chris Parsons last year, really can knock a Panther fan badly. I am a VERY proud alum of UNI! I am pleased and proud that I went to school there, learned and accomplished, for 4 years, to earn my degree. I did not do drugs, or sell drugs, or do anything which would have brought shame on the university. But then, I only had an "academic" scholarship, not an athletic scholarship, so I definitely had NO fans, no one looking up to me, no one wanting to follow my footsteps.
As an alum I easily follow the Panthers, and cheer for our athletic teams. Even though I rarely get a chance to do that in person, because of my location and the cost of travel, when I do, it is VERY important to me. And when I cheer for the Panthers, I cheer for all that is good, and right, and correct, and honest and loyal! When these people attend UNI, I feel there is an "unwritten" agreement to also be good people, of whom the university will always be proud. UNI grads do have a good position in this world.
I have recently spent a LOT of money to attend UNI's homecoming. No one was louder or prouder than I, all weekend. (And, yes, students, I not only stood almost all the game on the west side, I was THERE the entire game, cheering, singing and shouting.) These two players have betrayed me! They have betrayed my loyalty and love for UNI. They represented ME, as an alum, and they represented ALL of us who love UNI. They violated US, as much as they violated themselves. "Just university students?" Well, university students vote, can hold political office, and make a difference in society.
I am sitting here in despair, in an very upset state because these two guys, following the one from a year ago, have said that they do not care about themselves, about the university, or about me, or you! And that, to me, is VERY discouraging.
I truly hope that NO ONE ever, on this site, has the audacity to knock Iowa and the problems they have had. Obviously, UNI is no better at all, and that is EXTREMELY troubling to me. Why? UNI was a wonderful place, a fantastic institution with a great student body, and alumni who have gone on to make the university proud. Why is it now "jail university?" Iowa/UNI....."JU"

[SteinPizza]

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I truly hope that NO ONE ever, on this site, has the audacity to knock Iowa and the problems they have had. Obviously, UNI is no better at all, and that is EXTREMELY troubling to me. Why? UNI was a wonderful place, a fantastic institution with a great student body, and alumni who have gone on to make the university proud. Why is it now "jail university?" Iowa/UNI....."JU"

It shouldn't trouble you, it's an unfortunate reality anywhere. Where is the logic in assuming that UNI athletes, fans, and students are somehow more "saintly" than their counterparts at Iowa??? Anyone who thinks that way should try to stow their biases for a few miliseconds and be realistic. I'm not absolving VW and JG for their actions, but trying to inject some reality into some in our fanbase.

And I agree with your first sentence. Glass houses and stones come to mind. That's nothing against Iowa or UNI. Things like this can happen anywhere.

[AcesOverKings]

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To Be honest here, you guys talk about how much class athletes go to and such. How much class do you think Johnny Gray was going to? Seriously?

[CanuckPanther]

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These guys denegrate the reputation, the name, the stature of MY unversity! They have no right to do that!

[SteinPizza]

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It's not about the place. It's about the people. UNI is a wonderful place. It's also a place where human being attend college and we have a few that have made a HORRIBLE mistake.

I agree with the human frailties part. But, what does UNI being wonderful have anything to do with this? That's subjective. My point was that some who think UNI is somehow a more pious institution than Iowa need to get an injection of logic and shelve the bias.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Just wondering, would people's minds change if the alleged dealing was something different than MJ? What about cocaine, meth, or heroin?

Just curious is the ambivalence of some deals specifically with their views on marijuana, or controlled substances in general?

Alcohol is a controlled substance. But when I compare the two, people thing I'm talking crazy.

Personally, I view MJ as being on the same level as alcohol.
And yes, my reaction would be different if it was heroin, meth, or cocaine involved.

I've known people that have gotten drunk (alcohol),
I've known people who have gotten stoned (marijuana),
and I've known people who have done meth.

They're all pretty stupid things to put into one's body. But the meth-heads acted way worse than the stoners and drunks.