Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

[CanuckPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Sorry, Jay, but I have to disagree with you here. I have known, and had supposedly good friends, who were hooked on all of those. Whether is was marijuana, alcohol, or coke, etc, it made no difference. Their mind was totally controlled by those substances. Even those "just" hooked on MJ admitted they had no ambition, no drive, and did not care about relationships/friendships if it was a choice between those and MJ
I guess I am a slow learner that way, as I have gone through this more than once!!

[CanuckPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Sorry, Panther2317, I would have thought you of anyone here would have truly understood what I was saying. But I guess I have just not been able to express in words what I am truly feeling. You state that UNI is not a place but people. That is what I, too, am saying. And when the people who are up front and representing UNI, and they are NOT good people, they reflect on the institution. The rest of world will judge this institution by these people. And I feel these people do NOT have the right to represent something I feel so strongly about in this way.

[Alum 99']

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

GonzoCat..sorry but what you are saying is dumb and you need to read all the post before you tear an idea apart...I didn't say that JUST UNI should do it...I said it needs to be a NCAA mandate...Why should the NCAA care..an athlete needs to play at college in order to get an education or try to get noticed for the pros...Do you really beleive that if this was a rule that there would be less athletes to pick from...no..there is the same pool because EVERY college has to deal with it...Come on..its not like it happens all that offen but when it does drop the hammer....they know right and wrong..Drugs are ILLEGAL.......not saying they need to be saints but they also know what would get them kicked off or not...it is usually something really bad..not just an alchohol violation.....

[06panther10]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

GonzoCat..sorry but what you are saying is dumb

This was the best part.

[JayJ79]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Come on..its not like it happens all that offen but when it does drop the hammer....they know right and wrong..Drugs are ILLEGAL.......not saying they need to be saints but they also know what would get them kicked off or not...it is usually something really bad..not just an alchohol violation.....

Why is getting busted for pot "really bad",
but getting busted for breaking the law with booze "just an alcohol violation"?

Yes, drugs are ILLEGAL. So is possession of alcohol by individuals under the age of 21. So is public intox. So is driving under the influence of alcohol (and DUI's endanger the lives of innocent bystanders much more than smoking weed does)

[FerociousCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

This is by far the most prolific thread in PN history...
for good...yet mostly bad...

some who are familiar with the pot college scene realize how casual this can be...

some who have to explain to the youth how dangerous the pot scene can become are outraged...

both are correct & wrong at the same time...Johnny & Victor will always be remembered...

but all of us can agree that Everette Pedescleaux should have been featured on this year's poster!! BIG E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(let me say that my day began with my wife making chocolate chip pancakes for my son, daughter & I...my 5 yr old son used the chocolate chips to play football...immediately he said,"and Johnny Gray runs it in for the touchdown"...multiply that by 250 other young kids minimum...)

[UNIBear]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

To Be honest here, you guys talk about how much class athletes go to and such. How much class do you think Johnny Gray was going to? Seriously?

He evidently missed his 9 o'clock on Friday......just trying to add a little levity.

[Back2BackCats]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

This is by far the most prolific thread in PN history...
for good...yet mostly bad...

some who are familiar with the pot college scene realize how casual this can be...

some who have to explain to the youth how dangerous the pot scene can become are outraged...

both are correct & wrong at the same time...Johnny & Victor will always be remembered...

but all of us can agree that Everette Pedescleaux should have been featured on this year's poster!! BIG E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(let me say that my day began with my wife making chocolate chip pancakes for my son, daughter & I...my 5 yr old son used the chocolate chips to play football...immediately he said,"and Johnny Gray runs it in for the touchdown"...multiply that by 250 other young kids minimum...)

Are you trying to tell me that there were 250 other kids playing football with their chocolate chip pancakes this morning, I find that highly unlikely....................sarcasm

[GonzoCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

GonzoCat..sorry but what you are saying is dumb and you need to read all the post before you tear an idea apart...I didn't say that JUST UNI should do it...I said it needs to be a NCAA mandate...Why should the NCAA care..an athlete needs to play at college in order to get an education or try to get noticed for the pros...Do you really beleive that if this was a rule that there would be less athletes to pick from...no..there is the same pool because EVERY college has to deal with it...Come on..its not like it happens all that offen but when it does drop the hammer....they know right and wrong..Drugs are ILLEGAL.......not saying they need to be saints but they also know what would get them kicked off or not...it is usually something really bad..not just an alchohol violation.....

I've read all the posts. Still a totally stupid idea. They are getting kicked off the team, that's not what we are talking about. Taking away someones back pay for 5 years based on something wrong they do today is the idea in question. Good luck getting that to hold up in court as well.

0610 - I know you are, but what am I?

These guys are not going to play for the Panthers again. Now the question is do we give up on them as human beings and throw them away or do we try to help them straighten out their lives and move forward. Do we give them any credit for all the good things they have done for years or does that all get forgotten based on one stupid thing they did?

And yeah, some of you are stuck in a "refer madness" mentality.

[Newsbreaker]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Good luck getting that to hold up in court as well.

This sort of thing could be structured to hold up in court if necessary.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Are you a lawyer now also?

[Back2BackCats]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

I am not sure why some of us take this so personally, most of us have never even met any of these athletes. We root for them because they chose to attend UNI, if they would have chosen SIU everyone would hate them. They have affected their teammates and coaches but most of all they’re own lives. They chose their own path and chances are no one forced them down this road. This is happening at most every school, why wouldn’t it happen here? The coaches will continue to recruit, the teams will continue to compete, and we will continue to cheer. I hope, not only in this case but all cases things work out for these athletes.

As far as scholarships maybe we can also hold the coach responsible for offering the scholarship and we can get twice the money back………just a thought.

Go Panthers.

[FMPanther]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams, Darrell Lloyd, and De'Veon Harris Suspended

F that, they WERE pseudo-role modles, citizens and ambassadors of the University of Northern Iowa and the State of Iowa!

I am going to chalk you up as someone else who completely misses the point.

If these kids (college athletes in general) are your kids' role models, they need different role models. period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzdAZ3TjCA

[Panther-at-Arms]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Why is getting busted for pot "really bad",
but getting busted for breaking the law with booze "just an alcohol violation"?

Yes, drugs are ILLEGAL. So is possession of alcohol by individuals under the age of 21. So is public intox. So is driving under the influence of alcohol (and DUI's endanger the lives of innocent bystanders much more than smoking weed does)

Are you seriously so naive as to believe the people smoking pot are NOT getting behind the wheel? They have to score all those Cheetos somehow.

Look, marijuana is a Schedule I substance because there are no approved medicinal uses. There is a perfectly legal prescription version called Marinol that can be used for all the arguments previously applied: cancer patients, nausea, and yes even ADHD. Morphine has been found to have medical benefits but we don't legalize Opium and Heroin do we? What about Meth? What do you think Ritalin is?

[GonzoCat]

Re: Johnny Gray, Victor Williams Suspended

Are you seriously so naive as to believe the people smoking pot are NOT getting behind the wheel? They have to score all those Cheetos somehow.

No, you are right, they are getting behind the wheel. The difference being the drunks are driving 70 mph in a 25 mph zone and the stoners are driving 5 mph. Who is the bigger danger?