I would like to set a couple things straight.

[ceaser150]

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Coleman may have been on the bench for the comeback last night, but he almost single-handedly lead the comeback in the Nevada game. Seems like some people on here have short memories.

[UNI MadCat]

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Coleman may have been on the bench for the comeback last night, but he almost single-handedly lead the comeback in the Nevada game. Seems like some people on here have short memories.

No, we're just all very skilled at only picking and choosing stats that help shape our arguments and avoiding all others!!

[unigriff]

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i have a feeling we will have this discussion for a few more years down the road since we'll have JE, Koch, O'Rear, Barz, Pehl, and Koch (dont know much bout the brother, i assume a PF as well, correct me if im wrong)....

Better bench Jordan as a senior too

[jman2004]

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Picking a team?

I'll take JJ first and probably Koch second, I like the combination of skills they bring. If Dunham would show more confidence and actually shoot more, he would likely be third. I would then likely choose between Coleman and Eglseder and since I already know what I get with Coleman and Jordan still has a high level of potential and is only slightly behind Coleman at this point, I think I'll go with him.

Seriously oh Lord! I cannot believe the ridiculous stuff coming out of some of the people on this topic. Some of the same very people I've enjoyed reading on this board for a few years now. Coleman in a near tie for being the fourth best player on this team? Are you kidding me?

Some of you have seriously taken the Kool-Aid that Coach Jake brewed up and chugged the entire keg.

Some of you respect Jake for his "coaching" title. He's the coach. He's the MAN because he's the coach. Well, I think I can say with full certainty that if you lined up EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE COACH in America and gave them first pick of ANY player off our team, I'll bet Coleman is selected 99% of the time, with maybe a Koch or a Josten tossed in occasionally. What's that say about the rest of the "coaches" in the country?

This argument has crossed the line into sheer and utter stupidity for some. It absolutely amazes me at how much we're stretching to justify this.

[jman2004]

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No, we're just all very skilled at only picking and choosing stats that help shape our arguments and avoiding all others!!

And not only stats, but people's opinions of the skills certain players have. Did you get a load of that list of reasons up above for why Coleman isn't the best player on this team?

[jman2004]

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Is he the best all-around player? He's definitely the best rebounder. Is he the best shooter? Is he the best ball-handler? Is he the best passer? (he is good out of the post - just not the best). Is he the best defender? To be "the best" you have to have to best combination of all of those skills.

NONE OF OUR PLAYERS HAS THE BEST COMBINATION OF THOSE SKILLS. If you say Koch I'm going to spit my milk out. Koch is a good player and definitely has made a name for himself with Panther fans this season. But C-O-M-E O-N . . .

The way I was looking at it was lining up players and picking ONE. The best one. If we're coming up with reasons to put Coleman at third and fourth on our team, we're leaning over the deep end.

[UNI05Alum]

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Is he the best all-around player? He's definitely the best rebounder. Is he the best shooter? Is he the best ball-handler? Is he the best passer? (he is good out of the post - just not the best). Is he the best defender? To be "the best" you have to have to best combination of all of those skills.

Barry Bonds wasn't the best fielder, pitcher, base stealer, contact hitter, etc. but I still would have taken him before any of the other players on his team if I could choose one. One dimensional doesn't equate to insufficient. Heck, I know a lot of recreational players that can handle the rock and shoot better than Coleman; would you like to 'draft' them over him too????

[GonzoCat]

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He is the best scorer, rebounder, and shot blocker. He's also the only player on our team that opposing coaches spend any significant time worrying about containing I'd be willing to bet.

This is what has come of all this arguing over whether EC should start or not. Some of you have spent so much time coming up for justification for not starting him you've now convinced yourselves he basically sucks. Even coach Jake has said he is beyond a doubt our best player, that's go nothing to do with not starting him.

[clenz]

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Barry Bonds wasn't the best fielder, pitcher, base stealer, contact hitter, etc. but I still would have taken him before any of the other players on his team if I could choose one. One dimensional doesn't equate to insufficient. Heck, I know a lot of recreational players that can handle the rock and shoot better than Coleman; would you like to 'draft' them over him too????

Actually Bonds was an amazing outfielder, base stealer, contact hitter early in his career. The knee injury slowed him down a lot

[Khan4Cats]

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All Hail Eric Coleman!!! King Of Panther Nation!!!:hail:

If Only We Had 15 Of Him We Would Never Lose A Game!!!:hail:

If He Only Started The Other 14 Games Besides Iowa State We Would Have Won At Least 20 Of Them!!!!

The ridiculous aspect of this argument is the take that Coleman can do absolutely no wrong.

People ask why he's not starting. Reasons are given and then ignored or brushed off as somehow "Kool-Aid" drinking.

People say that "there is no way to argue that he is not the best player". I posted a list of things that he does not do particlarly well and why i would not label him the best all-around player. I also provided a list for how I would want to build a team, and somehow that is ridiculed, whatever, you are all perfect I guess.

For those accusing others of short memories, can anyone tell me who was starting last year when we fell behind big AT HOME to Creighton, Missouri State, and Wichita State? Just wondering, I seem to have forgotten.



p.s. We're 10-5, 2-2, with 1 league road win and a perfect home record so far. There are things we could do better (and I have commented on those in other threads), but we are still winning. We are also very young and inexperienced and still have half a season to go.

BTW, thanks for all those "brave" PM's people sent me, I enjoyed some good laughs tough guys.

[Khan4Cats]

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Actually Bonds was an amazing outfielder, base stealer, contact hitter early in his career. The knee injury slowed him down a lot

Absolutely agree with his skill into the mid-90's, only question mark in his game was arm strength. I might have only taken Griffey, Jr. (also pre-injuries) ahead of him for a position player but it would have been close.

[BCPanther]

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Is he the best all-around player? He's definitely the best rebounder. Is he the best shooter? Is he the best ball-handler? Is he the best passer? (he is good out of the post - just not the best). Is he the best defender? To be "the best" you have to have to best combination of all of those skills.

I agree completely 2317...

The one thing that has always frustrated me about EC is that he has never had himself in good enough shape to be effective for 30-32 minutes a game. That is why the current setup is in place. You are going to get 12-15 points and 7-12 boards if he plays 23 minutes, but you are going to get the same numbers if he plays 30 minutes. That is 7 wasted minutes that Jordan and Koch can have to be more productive.

That is what I believe it boils down to with EC. Jake is currently choosing what he feels are the best 23 minutes to use EC. I would tend to agree that the first three minutes are not vitally important ones. If I have to choose three minutes in crunch time or the first three minutes, I am going with the crunch time minutes...

[UNIChippewa]

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On a different tack here, living out in Colorado and for the time being not having ESPN's Full Court, I haven't been able to watch a single game. Therefore, I'm a bit torn on whether or not Coleman should start or not.

But here's a question....can anyone objectively say that we would have any of the games we have lost so far by starting EC? Just curious.

[clenz]

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Absolutely agree with his skill into the mid-90's, only question mark in his game was arm strength. I might have only taken Griffey, Jr. (also pre-injuries) ahead of him for a position player but it would have been close.

I would still take Griffey Jr a head of him. With that said George Kenneth Griffey, Jr. is my favorite player of all time, so I'm a tad biased.

[Khan4Cats]

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I would still take Griffey Jr a head of him. With that said George Kenneth Griffey, Jr. is my favorite player of all time, so I'm a tad biased.

I am glad we are able to find something to agree on. While I won't say that he was/is my favorite of all time, but I always loved to watch him play and was glad to see him have a nice sort of comeback year last year.