How do we get rid of Jake?

[oldcat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Let's get rid of Jake now....................so we can get some clown these guys can complain about. Jake isn't only a good coach...............he's even a better person!

[jegbomb52]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Like I said, I must have said something that looked negative about Coach Jake so now everyone comes to his rescue.

Oh, thats awesome too now, I have a guy with four posts telling me I am not a "fan."

Whether he said it or not, it was implied with the " ". Go screw yourself buddy, oh, thats right, you will probably not ever post again.

What did I say that was so wrong? I think Jake is doing a great job right now. I just said that we are now making up categories to make him look better? Come on people, take off the shades. "best three year start for a coach in school history?" I would hope so, he took over a PROGRAM, not players, but a PROGRAM, that had just came off of back, to back, to back NCAA tourny appearances.

"Now batting", "Willie Mays Hays", "Willie led the division in doubles with two outs last year while there was no on on base in the month of July", "isn't that awesome Marty?"

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

With what he was left with? I don't have the exact quote in front of me but he was left with Coleman that had a lot of PT, and after that Viet, Brown, and Josten didn't get a lot of PT prior to Jake taking over.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Jake didn't take over a program that had a ton of talent left after that tourney run.

Jacobson's first season as head coach returned Brooks, Stout, Coleman, Josten, and Brown, all of who played significant roles the previous year.

In his second season he was left with Coleman, Josten and Brown. That's more than many new college coaches could dream of.

He had plenty of talent. He was not asked to build this program from the ground up. I don't see how that can really be argued or questioned.

[KansasCityPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The Panther's lost Benny J and Eric Crawford, probably the two main reasons they received an at large bid in 05 and 06. Think back to the tight games those two years, they pretty much put the team on their back. The team became pretty one dimensional after that, no outside threat. Double team Coleman and Stout and it became pretty hard to win. I don't think the cupboard was bare, but the talent level certainly dropped.

Coach is proving that he can coach, as matter of fact I think the whole staff deserves more credit than they were getting until recently. The last two years did not go as scripted; Culver, Kwadzo to name a few issues. It's a pretty hard to argue that the staff just woke up and figured how to coach a couple of weeks ago.

The Drake game plan was brilliant, and if nothing else it proves that this whole coach Jake debate is irrelevant. The doubters that questioned whether Jake was right for UNI were entitled to their opinions. I respect those that were passionate about the team and continued to support them, even when they were dissappointed with the results.

IMO this thread lives on because of the few that said they were not going to support the team until Jake was gone. It's hard for the Jake supporters to stomach that type of attidude, so we can't let it die!

For the record, I respect Jeg and Jman at least they weren't jumping off the ship.

But it's time to put this discussion in the rear view mirror, the road ahead looks pretty good. GO PANTHERS....Beat Bradley like a red headed step child!

[Durf73]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Doesn't this post seem a little foolish in the light of the teams play the last few weeks. Any time a UNI coach pounds a Drake team esp. in Des Moines they deserve a bonus, not talk of firing them.... Looks to me like he's bringing in the right people. I guess having a real & healthy point guard truly makes a difference. But if u've never coached the game, u really wouldn't understand the value of a true point guard!!!!!! :stick poke:

[jegbomb52]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

First off, who has brought up (in the last two weeks) that Jake should be fired? Anyone, Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Ferris, Bueller?

Second off, what did Eric Crawford have to do with us getting an at-large other than when he was hurt that year we were a projected 7 seed, when he came back for his last ten games, we lost 7 of them and then barely got in.

[KansasCityPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Didn't Crawford make a pretty big bucket against Bucknell? They lose that game and it's that season looks much different.

[clenz]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Jacobson's first season as head coach returned Brooks, Stout, Coleman, Josten, and Brown, all of who played significant roles the previous year.

In his second season he was left with Coleman, Josten and Brown. That's more than many new college coaches could dream of.

He had plenty of talent. He was not asked to build this program from the ground up. I don't see how that can really be argued or questioned.

I forgot that Brooks and Stout were back his first year. My apologies on that.


However, after that he was trying to bring in an all new system, with players that weren't his. Now he has his players in his system and it is working. Prior to that he had guys for Mac's system that didn't fit his system well, and he had to try to work his system in, but keep it so the guys stayed in their relative comfort zone on the court. I get that he was here with Mac, but his system is a little different.



The same thing is said about college coaches and how long they get. Most coaches get 4-5 years to get their system and their players in. A perfect example of that right now is Charlie Wies, although his situation is a little backwards of this. He came in to ND with a ton of talent from Ty. He got the wins the first year, because he took over that talent. Now that his players are in his system, the results aren't there.


Jake is now getting his players into his system and the results are coming. Remember that Moran, KA, Ali, and Rodenburg are all new faces this year. (Before someone calls me on it, I know KA isn't a "new face", but he didn't play last year and the on court chemistry wasn't going to be there right away). Add those new players in with losing Coleman, Josten, and Viet. Then taking a starting spot from Brown and Dunham and giving it to 2 guys who are new to the system, there was bound to be struggles to start the season. This team is very young. One senior, 3 JR's that have been here from the start, 2 that are new this year/semester, 4 sophomores, and 4 freshman (I realize only one isn't redshirting).



I've said it before, when you mix the rotation up as much as it was this year it is going to take time for players to fit into their roles, get comfortable in their roles, and start to excel in those roles. I think we are starting to finally see that after 10-12 games of struggling, which is about how long it would be to get a new ratation comfortable with eachother.


I haven't really saw a change in how Jake coaches, but I have saw a HUGE change in how well the team is performing. If a team misses their shots it is the coaches fault. If the team makes their shots the players are playing really well.

[jegbomb52]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Did you see the team that went 7-2 the first half of the Valley season without Eric Crawford go 2-7 the second half of the Valley season with Eric Crawford?

I would have taken that "make" against Bucknell for 4 or 5 more wins the second half of the Valley season. It does not matter, he is a cow milker with McMoney now, hopefully he will land on his feet when that staff gets "cycloned" out of Ames after this season or next. He always seemed like a good guy. Who knows, maybe that was just a coincedence.

[panther91]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

They were 4-1 to start the year with Crawford. He was hurt against Creighton (loss making them 4-2). They went 7-1 without him and lost all 4 conference games after his return.

Brown and Josten did not have significant roles on that team ... they both averaged less than 10 minutes a game. Little and Crawford were both at 30 minutes and Jacobsen was at 36. Jake had Stout, Coleman and Brooks returning.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

First off, who has brought up (in the last two weeks) that Jake should be fired? Anyone, Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Ferris, Bueller?

And even before the past two weeks and this current winning streak, there were VERY FEW posters who actually advocated Jake be fired. Hardly any.

[Panther789]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

And even before the past two weeks and this current winning streak, there were VERY FEW posters who actually advocated Jake be fired. Hardly any.

Exactly.

It's clear that there are a few posters who aren't interested in Jake getting credit. They are interested in giving themselves credit.

That said, there were some people who strongly supported Jake throughout, who are taking this in stride.

[jegbomb52]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Exactly.

It's clear that there are a few posters who aren't interested in Jake getting credit. They are interested in giving themselves credit.

That said, there were some people who strongly supported Jake throughout, who are taking this in stride.

I personally think Jake should be getting a lot of credit, I just don't understand the obsession of so many on this board to preach the "we have been behind him all the way."

[Panther789]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The same thing is said about college coaches and how long they get. Most coaches get 4-5 years to get their system and their players in. A perfect example of that right now is Charlie Wies, although his situation is a little backwards of this. He came in to ND with a ton of talent from Ty. He got the wins the first year, because he took over that talent. Now that his players are in his system, the results aren't there.

That might be the worst analogy ever.

[BMPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Bump..........................