How do we get rid of Jake?

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I am by no means, a "bandwagon fan who only supports a winning team". It's perfectly acceptable for fans to be angry and disappointed with what Jacobson has accomplished thus far. He has shown nothing.

Jacobson gets paid a heck of a lot more money than I do, and I pay a nice price each year for tickets to watch and support this University. I'll still attend regardless, but just because I, or anyone else, complains about Jacobson doesn't make us "bandwagoners".

If we had no talent, and Jacobson was doing what he could to keep our head above water, that'd be one thing. But Jacobson was left with plenty of talent and has plenty of talent on his current team. If we as a basketball team, continually underperform, fans have a right to voice their displeasure in the coach.

I'm willing to give him 4 years to show us something. If we don't show signs of life soon, and if next year is more of the same, we better show him the door.

That's just the point. You aren't willing to give him 4 years to show us something since your bashing him (and have been) since the start of year 3.

Again the main arguments:

Jake was left with "plenty" of talent. FALSE. If that were true, why is it that just 2+ years after Mac left, that there are only 2 players on the roster that were here with Mac? It's not that Jake chased them off, it's that there really wasn't that much depth built up under Mac. Even Josten and Viet off last years' team were barely utilized by Mac.

The first two seasons were not "successful." Again, depends on your definition of success. The first year, the team was probably one win (either Travis Brown's last second miss at Southern Illinois or Bradley's last second prayer at the Valley Tourney to beat us) away from post-season. Of course they also weren't helped by the NCAA changing the rules for the NIT.

Last year was a very good job of coaching by Jake considering the injuries that forced personnel switches and playing different combinations. We still managed to win 18 games despite those problems.

This year is a "failure". I guess you can make an evaluation of an entire season after only a few games, but I can't. And yes, many of the people calling us a failure have been doing so for more than just this last game. Yet they fail to consider that we are starting three guards who came into the season with only four career D-I starts combined, and no D-I games played at all in over a year. They aren't accounting for injuries, suspensions, and ineligibility (by transfer) of players that haven't permitted the team to fully gel yet in game situations.

There is a lot of season yet to play.

I am hopeful that we will see more games played for 40 minutes like we saw for the last 30 against ISU.

That won't guarantee wins. Sorry, that just isn't possible to do, but it also doesn't mean the team sucks.

If they weren't giving a full effort, if they played all the time like they did for the first half yesterday, then maybe I could agree, but I guess I look for more of the positives and not only the negatives.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I am just as disappointed with our team as anyone else, but I think you can blame the players and the coach, not just the coach. He cannot go out there and play for them. I know you may think it is the coaches job to prepare the players and you are right. Sometimes though he can tell them everything he wants, but young people don't listen sometimes. If you have ever played sports were there times when your coach would have done all he could, but in your mind you just thought it was going to be a walk so you didn't play your hardest? And if you watch some games certain guys look like all-stars, and then the next they just look terrible. For instance Jordan scores 30 at Wyoming and then yesterday looked like he didn't even want to be there or like his head was still at home for Christmas. I know that probably wasn't the case, but he did not perform well yesterday. There are a couple on the team who are consistent like Kwazdo and Lucas. I mean you know what you are going to get from them each night.

That being said if we go out and only win 2 or 3 conference games we seriously need think about getting rid of Jake. Otherwise we should give him another year.

Would you guys think we should get a UNI person or should we try and get just the best coach possible? Personally I think we need a UNI person if or when we need a change.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I say hire the SDSU coach for next season.

The same SDSU coach who came into the McLeod earlier this year and lost by 17 points? What makes you think he would be any better than Jake? And that is a serious question because maybe you see something I didn't see.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Khan, I'm done responding to you. You have your opinion of me and that's fine. You have it out for me and that's fine. You probably know what you're going to say to me before you even read what I write. I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth and I'm tired of you attacking me and painting this portrait of me as a fan that is so off base.

I'm convinced you haven't really read anything I say this season because of the assumptions you make about me as a person and a fan. So if you want to continue nitpicking everything I say just because you don't agree with it, go ahead. But I'm done arguing with YOU.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

there is virtually nothing in common with the iowa situation.

UNI has the talent to compete for the conference title, and we cant even get anyone to come watch a home loss.

[Newshound]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

What has the SDSU coach done to deserve a Mo. Valley job? He has two signature wins (if you want to call them that) on his resume since the program went D-I -- a home win over UNI and a road win at Iowa State. His team has trouble avoiding the basement of the Summit League -- rated 24th out of 32 conferences in the latest RPI. If anything, he's on the hot seat at SDSU. He shouldn't be up for a better job.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

What the hell does that mean? He WAS left with good talent. He had Coleman, Stout, and Brooks. What else do you need? He was left three starters from a tournament team.

And the argument about not many players being left from Mac's tenure 2 years after he left is just plain stupid. Afterall, it IS college sports, where players only have 4 years of eligibility. Did you think mac was supposed to leave Jake 5 players that would be at UNI for 10 years or what?

We have had good talent at UNI for 3 years now and nothing to show for it.

What the hell are you going to do with 3 players? Last I checked, you play 5 at a time. Jake didn't have that. He had, as you pointed out, 3. The others he had to work with were part-time role players in Josten, Viet and Brown and a crop of talented freshman, but freshman none-the-less. This isn't North Carolina, Duke, etc. where freshman step right in and lead a team to the NCAA's.

And yes, I am well aware that players graduate. But after-all, others are trying to say that Jake inherited a fully-established program with parts all lined up to fill in as older players depart and that is just not true. The point about only two players left from Mac is just that. If he truly had a PROGRAM in place when he left, we would have more than two players left after two years, but we don't. We have Travis Brown, who played part-time as a true freshman for Mac and Brian Haak, who redshirted as a walk-on for Mac. That's it. That's what's left of Mac's tenure. Jake hasn't had to build completely from the ground up, but he also didn't inherit the penthouse that some want to claim he did and hold him to that kind of standard.

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Team	Coaches	Annual Pay	Wins	Losses	Total Games	Dollars Per Win	Dollars Per Game
Oral Roberts	Sutton, Scott	$115,870 	23	10	33	$5,037.83 	$3,511.21 
Nevada 	Fox,	$496,844 	28	4	32	$6,071.43 	$5,312.50 
Northwestern State	McConathy, Mike	$104,300 	17	15	32	$6,135.29 	$3,259.38 
Albany	Brown, Will	$180,000 	25	7	32	$7,200.00 	$5,625.00 
Winthrop	Marshall, Gregg	$224,157 	28	4	32	$8,005.61 	$7,004.91 
Northern Iowa	Jacobson, Ben	$153,000 	18	13	31	$8,500.00 	$4,935.48 
Murray State 	Kennedy,	$170,000 	16	14	30	$9,375.00 	$5,000.00 
Belmont	Byrd, Rick	$228,375 	23	9	32	$9,929.35 	$7,136.72 
Southern Illinois	Lowery, Chris	$277,660 	27	6	33	$10,283.70 	$8,413.94 
Bradley	Les, Jim 	$254,438 	21	12	33	$12,116.10 	$7,710.24 
Kent State	Christian, Jim	$256,000 	21	11	32	$12,190.48 	$8,000.00 
Southem	Spivery, Rob	$125,000 	10	21	31	$12,500.00 	$4,032.26 
Xavier (Ohio)	Miller, Sean	$329,460 	24	8	32	$13,727.50 	$10,295.63 
Air Force	Bzdelik, Jeff	$336,000 	23	8	31	$14,608.70 	$10,838.71 
Utah State	Morrill, Stew	$376,500 	23	12	35	$16,369.57 	$10,757.14 
George Washington	Hobbs, Karl 	$377,269 	23	8	31	$16,403.00 	$12,169.97 
South Alabama	Pelphrey, John	$333,604 	20	11	31	$16,680.20 	$10,761.42 
Georgetown	Thompson III, John 	$455,910 	26	6	32	$17,535.00 	$14,247.19 
North Carolina	Williams, Roy	$1,424,274 	28	6	34	$17,744.43 	$14,613.06 
Pacific	Thomason, Bob	$256,042 	12	19	31	$21,336.83 	$8,259.42 
San Diego State	Fisher, Steve	$538,120 	21	10	31	$25,624.76 	$17,358.71 
Gonzaga	Few, Mark 	$590,515 	23	10	33	$25,674.57 	$17,894.39 
Villanova	Wright, Jay	$584,343 	22	10	32	$26,561.05 	$18,260.72 
North Carolina Wilmington	Moss, Benny	$221,500 	7	22	29	$31,642.86 	$7,637.93 
West Virginia	Beilein, John	$800,000 	23	9	32	$34,782.61 	$25,000.00 
Arkansas	Heath, Stan 	$752,343 	21	13	34	$35,825.86 	$22,127.74 
Wisconsin	Ryan, Bo	$1,062,958 	29	5	34	$36,653.72 	$31,263.47 
Boston College	Skinner, Al	$757,648 	20	11	31	$37,882.40 	$24,440.26 
Illinois	Weber, Bruce	$903,591 	23	11	34	$39,286.57 	$26,576.21 
Winconsin-Milwaukee	Jeter, Rob	$354,700 	9	22	31	$39,411.11 	$11,441.94 
Oklahoma 	Capel, Jeff	$650,000 	16	15	31	$40,625.00 	$20,967.74 
Memphis 	Calipari, John	$1,326,500 	30	3	33	$44,216.67 	$40,196.97 
Wichita State	Turgeon, Mark	$773,000 	17	14	31	$45,470.59 	$24,935.48 
George Mason	Larranaga, Jim	$838,225 	18	15	33	$46,568.06 	$25,400.76 
North Carolina State	Lowe, Sidney	$900,000 	19	15	34	$47,368.42 	$26,470.59 
Florida	Donovan, Billy	$1,389,173 	29	5	34	$47,902.52 	$40,858.03 
Syracuse	Boeheim, Jim	$1,095,365 	22	10	32	$49,789.32 	$34,230.16 
Texas A&M	Gillespie, Billy	$1,249,501 	25	6	31	$49,980.04 	$40,306.48 
UCLA	Howland, Ben	$1,311,792 	26	5	31	$50,453.54 	$42,315.87 
Tennessee 	Pearl, Bruce	$1,123,800 	22	10	32	$51,081.82 	$35,118.75 
Washington	Romar, Lorenzo	$999,350 	19	13	32	$52,597.37 	$31,229.69 
Alabama	Gottfried, Mark	$1,063,500 	20	12	32	$53,175.00 	$33,234.38 
Kansas	Self, Bill	$1,635,700 	30	4	34	$54,523.33 	$48,108.82 
Indiana	Sampson, Kelvin	$1,100,000 	20	10	30	$55,000.00 	$36,666.67 
LSU 	Brady, John 	$960,000 	17	15	32	$56,470.59 	$30,000.00 
Duke	Krzyzewski, Mike 	$1,262,753 	22	11	33	$57,397.86 	$38,265.24 
Ohio State	Matta, Thad	$1,825,000 	30	3	33	$60,833.33 	$55,303.03 
California	Braun, Ben	$982,500 	16	17	33	$61,406.25 	$29,772.73 
Marquette 	Crean, Tom	$1,688,487 	24	9	33	$70,353.63 	$51,166.27 
Arizona	Olson, Lute	$1,420,567 	20	10	30	$71,028.35 	$47,352.23 
Iowa	Alford, Steve	$1,269,564 	17	14	31	$74,680.24 	$40,953.68 
Texas	Barnes. Rick	$1,809,000 	24	9	33	$75,375.00 	$54,818.18 
Michigan State	Izzo, Tom	$1,795,964 	22	11	33	$81,634.73 	$54,423.15 
Connecticut	Calhoun, Jim 	$1,500,000 	17	14	31	$88,235.29 	$48,387.10 
Kentucky 	Smith. Tubby	$2,193,150 	21	11	32	$104,435.71 	$68,535.94 
Iona	Ruland, Jeff 	$352,994 	2	28	30	$176,497.00 	$11,766.47 
Alabama at Birmingham	Davis, Mike	$678,940 	NA	NA	NA	NA	
Bucknell	Flannery, Pat	NA	22	9	31	NA	#VALUE!
Davidson	McKollop, Bob	NA	29	4	33	NA	
Hampton	Nickelberry, Kevin	NA	15	16	31	NA	
Monmouth 	Calloway, Dave	NA	12	18	30	NA	
Pennsylvania 	Miller, Glen	NA	22	8	30	NA	
Pittsburgh	Dixon, Jamie	NA	27	7	34	NA	
Seton Hall	Gonzalez, Bobby	NA	13	16	29	NA

I wish we could post a sortable excel sheet. Don't worry, I did not make this I found it on the internet and easily imported to word and excel. took about 2 minutes. It is from 2006-2007.

Puts some things into perspective for me though.

it is sorted by the least amount of dollars per win on top. Of course some things have changed since this but I find it interesting. Thought others might also.

[fur ball]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Of course the ultimate goal is to win as many as possible, but there are so many duties that a coach has away from gameday.)

Don't most head coaches have the same "so many other duties" ? I would assume Jake has the same duties as the other coaches listed.

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

That's a nice chart. But it puts all of the focus on just the games and for anyone who has coached, is related to or friends with a coach or aspires to be a coach...the actual games are about 5% of the time spent in a coaches week.

(I'm not picking on this chart...it just paints the picture that all coaches get paid for is winning basketball games and that's just not true. Of course the ultimate goal is to win as many as possible, but there are so many duties that a coach has away from gameday.)

I thought the other duties were done to lead to a winning program which ultimately leads to winning games.

Even if it is fundraising, academics, recruiting these all are about helping find and keep athletes that can win games.

I think winning games is a good barometer of how successful the other duties have been.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I thought the other duties were done to lead to a winning program which ultimately leads to winning games.

Even if it is fundraising, academics, recruiting these all are about helping find and keep athletes that can win games.

I think winning games is a good barometer of how successful the other duties have been.

Absolutely true. Winning games is the bottom line.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Absolutely true. Winning games is the bottom line.

Apparently not. A coach must also have to look in the stands to see how many people are watching to determine what kind of system to run in order to increase the "entertainment" aspect and fill seats.

[fur ball]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

[QUOTE=panther2317;152412]I thought the ultimate goal was to bring in guys who would graduate with a degree from UNI? [/QUOTE And, how is that going? We have one senior playing. Another sophomore just left -- so we have one student/athlete that we started with in that class of recruits.

[jegbomb52]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Sugar coat it anyway you want, Jake has done a terrible job and if he was at a school that had money he would be fired. Agree or not, thats my belief.

I have said this before, this team will play on Thursday night at Arch Madness, this team is average at best, with a terrible, un-prepared coach.

Guess what? I will be there, just because I don't like Jake and don't think this team will win 7 Valley games doesn't mean that I don't "support" UNI athletics. I have already bought my all sesssion pass, I have already booked my hotel rooms, I have booked a room for Thursday night and have already posted my semifinal and finals tickets up for sale on stub hub.

This does not make me "anti UNI" or a "whiny Iowa fan", it makes me realistic. I have made one prediction about this team that has already came true "this team will be 3-2 at best after the past 5 game stretch", just accept it, support it, ***** about it, whatever you do, don't give up being a fan.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I thought the ultimate goal was to bring in guys who would graduate with a degree from UNI?

Not really. It's part of it, though.