Who wants to play in Carver next week?

[9YRPLAN]

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the selection committee has always rewarded playing a tough non-conference. You schedule tough games, you get rewarded. Would have been nice to get a win or two for UNI

this is the entire fallacy that i am talking about. trying to claim that a major conference school doesnt "schedule tough" is absurd.

why should it matter whether a school controlled the scheduling of the game or not? games are games.

[hoopfan]

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it is completely ridiculous that the out-of-conference schedule is viewed differently than the in-conference schedule. a team like MTSU gets in because they played a whopping 3 BCS schools, beating one at home and one on the road. guess what? your average BCS team plays EIGHTEEN of those games. even the typical MVC schedule is twice as hard as that. the average RPI of their conference games was over 200!

So Iowa or other Power 6 schools should get the benefit of the doubt just for showing up to play their conference games? MTSU and other mid-majors don't have that luxury and were rewarded for taking a risk. The Power 6 schools feel like they should be given a freebie because of their conference affiliation. With how awful you say MTSU is, I'm quite surprised they weren't on Iowa's non-conference schedule.

[hoopfan]

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this is the entire fallacy that i am talking about. trying to claim that a major conference school doesnt "schedule tough" is absurd.

why should it matter whether a school controlled the scheduling of the game or not? games are games.

Then why not split the power conferences up evenly and mix in all the smaller schools? Then everyone has the same benefit of playing those conferences games and the non-conference scheduling would then be important.

[06panther10]

it is completely ridiculous that the out-of-conference schedule is viewed differently than the in-conference schedule. a team like MTSU gets in because they played a whopping 3 BCS schools, beating one at home and one on the road. guess what? your average BCS team plays EIGHTEEN of those games. even the typical MVC schedule is twice as hard as that. the average RPI of their conference games was over 200!

No its not ridiculous. A very good team like MTSU doesn't get 19 games to prove themselves. They get 2, 3, or 4 chances tops and almost never at home. It doesn't mean they aren't as good or even better than a bubble team like Virginia or Iowa. It just means they didn't get 20 chances to knock of a few decent BCS teams like they did.

You don't think teams like MTSU or St Marys could pick up a few wins against teams like Minnesota, Illinois, or Wisconsin at home if they got a ton of chances?

[9YRPLAN]

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So Iowa or other Power 6 schools should get the benefit of the doubt just for showing up to play their conference games? MTSU and other mid-majors don't have that luxury and were rewarded for taking a risk. The Power 6 schools feel like they should be given a freebie because of their conference affiliation. With how awful you say MTSU is, I'm quite surprised they weren't on Iowa's non-conference schedule.

are you dense? its not a freebie! you still have to win the games!

for example, look at indiana's OOC schedule. it was awful, but they won the big ten.

jay bilas said it best...if this is how its gonna be, then fine. but quit saying that you want the 37 best teams as at-larges, because its clearly not true.

[9YRPLAN]

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No its not ridiculous. A very good team like MTSU doesn't get 19 games to prove themselves. They get 2, 3, or 4 chances tops and almost never at home. It doesn't mean they aren't as good or even better than a bubble team like Virginia or Iowa. It just means they didn't get 20 chances to knock of a few decent BCS teams like they did.

You don't think teams like MTSU or St Marys could pick up a few wins against teams like Minnesota, Illinois, or Wisconsin at home if they got a ton of chances?

if you are one the best 37 teams in the country, you shouldnt lose in your conference tournament to a horrible team with an NCAA berth on the line.

[UNIAlum95]

this is the entire fallacy that i am talking about. trying to claim that a major conference school doesnt "schedule tough" is absurd.

why should it matter whether a school controlled the scheduling of the game or not? games are games.

You and Bilas agree. The committee and others like Seth Davis don't agree with you. I have no problem with UVA or Maryland being left out in favor of MTSU.

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[06panther10]

Everybody wins home games. It's harder to win on the road college basketball than in any other sport.

And the fact is that the vast majority of BCS league teams do not and will not ever go play games at mid-majors.

Meanwhile, Iowa sits back and schedules 10 Coppin St home games, and wins 3-4 decent conference HOME games (like ANY decent team would do if given the opportunities) and they want to be rewarded for their "difficult" BCS schedule? Come on.

[9YRPLAN]

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Everybody wins home games. It's harder to win on the road college basketball than in any other sport.

And the fact is that the vast majority of BCS league teams do not and will not ever go play games at mid-majors.

Meanwhile, Iowa sits back and schedules 10 Coppin St home games, and wins 3-4 decent conference HOME games (like ANY decent team would do if given the opportunities) and they want to be rewarded for their "difficult" BCS schedule? Come on.

ugh. since you continue to want to make this about iowa, please explain to me why iowa should have been in just by scheduling 10 drakes instead of 10 coppin states...because they would have been. also explain to me how Iowa State is even in the tourney then, because thats pretty much what they did.

[jnutt]

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9yr, who exactly are you arguing to be IN the tournament. The fact you are an admitted fan of both UNI and Iowa means people on this board assume you are talking about the Hawks. I see what you are arguing, that the selection committee is using outdated practices but who exactly got screwed so bad?

Maryland got screwed btw. Beat Duke twice you should get a first round bye.

[achrist70]

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Iowa State did more with their in conference opportunities than Iowa did, if Iowa beats a Wisconsin, Ohio St. Indiana, Michigan St. or Michigan then they are probably in the tourney, but their B1G win are against, Penn St., Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, and Nebraska, and they also lost to Nebraska and Purdue, yes Illinois and Minnesota are in but they have wins against the teams I mentioned.

[Farley's revenge]

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9yr, who exactly are you arguing to be IN the tournament. The fact you are an admitted fan of both UNI and Iowa means people on this board assume you are talking about the Hawks. I see what you are arguing, that the selection committee is using outdated practices but who exactly got screwed so bad?

Maryland got screwed btw. Beat Duke twice you should get a first round bye.

Of course he is talking about his favorite team. There is a real and true lack of candor that he can't bring himself to admit. That is why he writes what he writes, and then tells people they are stupid when called on it.

Iowa State's 3 games with UNLV, Cincy, and even BYU is better than anything his hawks played. But that standard hawk fan insecurity won't let him be honest about that.

Maryland should be in the tourney. You are correct on that one. I don't think UVA deserves it, but the Terps do.

As far as MTSU, LaSalle, etc. I think they have benefitted from the committee going too far the other way after Packer's tantrum in 2006.

They have consistently played the top of the middies against each other since then. If you think ODU-Butler match ups were a coincidence or the VCU-WSU game last year was, then you are kidding yourself. There was a concerted effort to keep teams like that away from power 6 schools to make sure that they did not get upset.

[9YRPLAN]

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Iowa State did more with their in conference opportunities than Iowa did, if Iowa beats a Wisconsin, Ohio St. Indiana, Michigan St. or Michigan then they are probably in the tourney, but their B1G win are against, Penn St., Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, and Nebraska, and they also lost to Nebraska and Purdue, yes Illinois and Minnesota are in but they have wins against the teams I mentioned.

iowa beat wisconsin. they also didnt play OSU or Michigan at home, and their leading scorer was injured vs. MSU.

i do not see anything on ISU's conference schedule that stands out other than winning at baylor.

UVA should have been in for sure. i dont really feel strongly about anyone else.

[9YRPLAN]

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Of course he is talking about his favorite team. There is a real and true lack of candor that he can't bring himself to admit. That is why he writes what he writes, and then tells people they are stupid when called on it.

Iowa State's 3 games with UNLV, Cincy, and even BYU is better than anything his hawks played. But that standard hawk fan insecurity won't let him be honest about that.

Maryland should be in the tourney. You are correct on that one. I don't think UVA deserves it, but the Terps do.

As far as MTSU, LaSalle, etc. I think they have benefitted from the committee going too far the other way after Packer's tantrum in 2006.

They have consistently played the top of the middies against each other since then. If you think ODU-Butler match ups were a coincidence or the VCU-WSU game last year was, then you are kidding yourself. There was a concerted effort to keep teams like that away from power 6 schools to make sure that they did not get upset.

this may be hard for you to comprehend, but perhaps if I followed maryland or kentucky more closely i would talk about them more. i follow iowa and iowa state, so they are easy examples that are familiar to most people in the state.

i realize that you take great offense to this because it is obviously part of some huge conspiracy to promote iowa on this board, but i cant help you with your feelings. perhaps you should see a shrink, or a veterinarian.

[sivert]

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ugh. since you continue to want to make this about iowa, please explain to me why iowa should have been in just by scheduling 10 drakes instead of 10 coppin states...because they would have been. also explain to me how Iowa State is even in the tourney then, because thats pretty much what they did.

If uIowa had scheduled a bunch of MVC level teams, their preseason would have been tougher. Enough tougher that they would have lost few more? Maybe.
1) there is the "any given day" effect. If the probability of winning a game is 75% compared to 95% that's a big difference. 8 games like that and you're more likely 6-2 as opposed to 8-0. Even though you know(feel) that you *should* have won all 8 either way.
2) if your win probability is 95%, it is MUCH more of a teaching/scrimmage type situation. You can play your lanky inexperienced 7' freshman more. Get him experience he'll need for B1G conf games.
3) the selection committee didn't suddenly decide this stuff. So either they're dumb down there in Ia City or they knew they needed a bunch of scrimmages. That fits Fran's comments. Dumb? No. He had to know that that schedule would hurt his chances and he chose it anyway because he felt he needed cupcakes.