New Valley Team (to replace Crayton)

[DownGoesKansas]

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It is really too bad UMKC is so bad. They could have been an ideal candidate (outside of St. Louis IMO). KC is a college basketball town and I think they would get the support they need in a conference like the valley but we cant offer them given there current quality.

[williebat]

It is really too bad UMKC is so bad. They could have been an ideal candidate (outside of St. Louis IMO). KC is a college basketball town and I think they would get the support they need in a conference like the valley but we cant offer them given there current quality.

Maybe in they agree to invest in their facilities and coaches salaries that would trump current performance.

[SteinPizza]

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It is really too bad UMKC is so bad. They could have been an ideal candidate (outside of St. Louis IMO). KC is a college basketball town and I think they would get the support they need in a conference like the valley but we cant offer them given there current quality.

Sure, if the criteria were only decent sized metro areas, they would fit. They don't have anywhere near the program though. It wasn't a fluke that St. Louis made the tourney as a 4 seed, or that they've had high profile coaches take that job. SLU is way ahead of UMKC as a program. I'd love it if they were interested, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

[DownGoesKansas]

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Sure, if the criteria were only decent sized metro areas, they would fit. They don't have anywhere near the program though. It wasn't a fluke that St. Louis made the tourney as a 4 seed, or that they've had high profile coaches take that job. SLU is way ahead of UMKC as a program. I'd love it if they were interested, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

I clearly stated they did not have a chance due to there program.

But they offer more than a decent sized metro area, they are in the heart of valley area and would not increase travel costs for anybody.

The Valley is in a tough spot, they might have to think outside the box. Other than St. Louis who like you said is not going to happen who is the obvious choice? The possible Chicago schools are awful and no one cares about them. Oral Roberts? Belmont? Murray State? Valpo? They have been ok lately but does it really make the Valley better?

Oh well we will see what happens, I was just throwing them out there just saying if they even had a decent program it would have been a good addition.

[SteinPizza]

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I clearly stated they did not have a chance due to there program.

But they offer more than a decent sized metro area, they are in the heart of valley area and would not increase travel costs for anybody.

The Valley is in a tough spot, they might have to think outside the box. Other than St. Louis who like you said is not going to happen who is the obvious choice? The possible Chicago schools are awful and no one cares about them. Oral Roberts? Belmont? Murray State? Valpo? They have been ok lately but does it really make the Valley better?

Oh well we will see what happens, I was just throwing them out there just saying if they even had a decent program it would have been a good addition.

The exchange of ideas, and candidates, is a good thing. You're right, the MVC is in a bit of a tough spot, but also has a brand and some leverage to use.

I think any of the candidates you mention above would be good, with the exception of Oral Roberts. Who knows though? WSU could quietly pressure Elgin into adding another school with baseball. Just guessing, but I hope that's not a criteria.

[UNIChippewa]

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I think just personally I would rather take Murray State over Belmont. I know Belmont has had a lot of success recently, but all that success has been in the regular season. For the last 2-3 years now they've been a popular sleeper/upset pick, but have gotten their a$$ kicked in the 1st round. Murray State has at least won a couple of games recently and has a pretty decent fan following, at least judging by the number of fans who were at the tournament last year in Louisville that I saw.

[DownGoesKansas]

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...issouri-valley

hmm

[lakesbison]

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Umkc was not looked at this (greg) guy SAW a thread on mvcfans and ran with this article. What a tool. Umkc gets 400 fans at thier games.

[DownGoesKansas]

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Umkc was not looked at this (greg) guy SAW a thread on mvcfans and ran with this article. What a tool. Umkc gets 400 fans at thier games.

HAHAHA

except they just paid a coach almost twice what the coach of the mighty bison gets

[BCPanther]

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HAHAHA

except they just paid a coach almost twice what the coach of the mighty bison gets

Watch it. Lakes isn't exactly the biggest fan of facts...

[williebat]

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I don't hate the idea of UMKC. I think they can win if they get in right conference. kangaroos?

[Codytwo]

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I live in KC, and the only benefit to adding UMKC to the MVC is that I'd get the chance to see UNI play here every year. With that being said, UMKC would be a HORRIBLE addition!

#1 - Their basketball program sucks.......historically and currently.
#2 - The last couple years they tried playing on campus at the Swinney Recreation Center. Swinney is a 1,500 seat crappier version of the Knapp Center. I'm guessing their average attendance was 900 per game. Going forward, they're moving back off-campus to Municipal Auditorium. Attendance at Municipal is and will be just as bad as Swinney.
#3 - UMKC does not have the an alumni/student size that will ever warrant high attendance at games. The school is having difficulties finding an identity. In the past, the school was attended by strictly commuter students. Recently, they're trying to turn it into a "real" D1 school by building dorms and attempting to try to attract more students. Truth be told, IMO, the student body consists primarily of non-traditional students, less financially fortunate students, AND last resort students (application turned down to all other schools and UMKC was their last option).

Overall, it's a more prestigious community college just because it's considered a D1 school. If the MVC is considering adding UMKC, then they might as well begin considering adding Kirkwood in Cedar Rapids as well. If you think NDSU and SDSU are bad ideas, then why would you think that the worst team in their conference is a good idea?

[williebat]

I live in KC, and the only benefit to adding UMKC to the MVC is that I'd get the chance to see UNI play here every year. With that being said, UMKC would be a HORRIBLE addition!

#1 - Their basketball program sucks.......historically and currently.
#2 - The last couple years they tried playing on campus at the Swinney Recreation Center. Swinney is a 1,500 seat crappier version of the Knapp Center. I'm guessing their average attendance was 900 per game. Going forward, they're moving back off-campus to Municipal Auditorium. Attendance at Municipal is and will be just as bad as Swinney.
#3 - UMKC does not have the an alumni/student size that will ever warrant high attendance at games. The school is having difficulties finding an identity. In the past, the school was attended by strictly commuter students. Recently, they're trying to turn it into a "real" D1 school by building dorms and attempting to try to attract more students. Truth be told, IMO, the student body consists primarily of non-traditional students, less financially fortunate students, AND last resort students (application turned down to all other schools and UMKC was their last option).

Overall, it's a more prestigious community college just because it's considered a D1 school. If the MVC is considering adding UMKC, then they might as well begin considering adding Kirkwood in Cedar Rapids as well. If you think NDSU and SDSU are bad ideas, then why would you think that the worst team in their conference is a good idea?

They just hired a good coach. They want to win. They are in Kansas city. anyway not my first even or seventh choice. I am hoping for Murray state, Dayton or slu.

[95UNIGRAD]

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I live in KC, and the only benefit to adding UMKC to the MVC is that I'd get the chance to see UNI play here every year. With that being said, UMKC would be a HORRIBLE addition!

#1 - Their basketball program sucks.......historically and currently.
#2 - The last couple years they tried playing on campus at the Swinney Recreation Center. Swinney is a 1,500 seat crappier version of the Knapp Center. I'm guessing their average attendance was 900 per game. Going forward, they're moving back off-campus to Municipal Auditorium. Attendance at Municipal is and will be just as bad as Swinney.
#3 - UMKC does not have the an alumni/student size that will ever warrant high attendance at games. The school is having difficulties finding an identity. In the past, the school was attended by strictly commuter students. Recently, they're trying to turn it into a "real" D1 school by building dorms and attempting to try to attract more students. Truth be told, IMO, the student body consists primarily of non-traditional students, less financially fortunate students, AND last resort students (application turned down to all other schools and UMKC was their last option).

Overall, it's a more prestigious community college just because it's considered a D1 school. If the MVC is considering adding UMKC, then they might as well begin considering adding Kirkwood in Cedar Rapids as well. If you think NDSU and SDSU are bad ideas, then why would you think that the worst team in their conference is a good idea?

Totally agree...if we're going to argue that the Dakotas shouldn't be involved because of their level of play and facilities (and rightly so), then there is no way this should happen. UMKC is a joke of a school and basketball program that you schedule for a cheap win. Let's add someone that will contribute to the TOP end of the conference, not the BOTTOM. I don't want to be snooty, but the Valley can do so much better than this.

[FargoBison]

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I just can't believe the MVC would add the Summit's trash in UMKC. Everyone was happy to see them leave, they struggled to compete in every sport. This just seems like some lazy geographical fit kind of addition.