What's it gonna take?

[Username]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Not to try to derail the thread, but I think we are getting pretty high-level recruits. I think the idea that the star rating system has much validity at all is pretty suspect.

First, it tends to rate kids based on who they are at age 17, not capturing their ceiling or lack there of. Also, there are so many examples of ridiculous rating. Morgan's a 2 star, Jok's a 3 star. Gessel and Woodbury are 4 stars.

I know Wes was a near 4 star when coming out of high school, but he was raw as hell, and has improved leaps and bounds since Tennessee.

[cydave]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Not to try to derail the thread, but I think we are getting pretty high-level recruits. I think the idea that the star rating system has much validity at all is pretty suspect.

First, it tends to rate kids based on who they are at age 17, not capturing their ceiling or lack there of. Also, there are so many examples of ridiculous rating. Morgan's a 2 star, Jok's a 3 star. Gessel and Woodbury are 4 stars.

Woodbury is one of the worst 4 star players to ever walk this planet. For a 7'1" player, his stats leave a lot to be desired.

[KansasCityPanther]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Filling the arena would be great. But, as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for because it may come true. Getting the 4 star recruits comes with it's own challenges. A lot of these guys you're going to have to worry about their eligibility. Also, are they willing to buy into Jake's system? Are they going to want to play defense? Are they willing to sublimate their talents to Jake's offense? Are they just going to stay a year? Personally, I would rather have the 3 star guys and see Jake coach them up. I don't think it's a coincidence that guys like Kwadzo and Deon and Matt and Wes took a couple of years to be consistently good.

True that!

[Mudrafan]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Be careful. UNI might start getting a lot of crap about being Transfer U and not doing it "the right way" according to Hawk fans.

If you are referring to the Clown way then yes...that is the incorrect way. See last year's exit in the dance before people even sat down on their couches & started paying attention.

[cydave]

Re: What's it gonna take?

If you are referring to the Clown way then yes...that is the incorrect way. See last year's exit in the dance before people even sat down on their couches & started paying attention.

Well, the clown way also got Back to back Big 12 tournament championships, a Sweet 16, and 4 consecutive years of NCAA tournament births, going on 5 barring a collapse of biblical proportions.

Upsets happen to every team in the NCAA, regardless of how many transfers are on a team. But thanks for finding a way to bring up ISU in another thread on a UNI message board. I know how much you like that.

[TH1974]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Be careful. UNI might start getting a lot of crap about being Transfer U and not doing it "the right way" according to Hawk fans.

Would probably get a whiny email from Jamie Pollard.

[Panthers to the Bone]

Re: What's it gonna take?

This is kind of a slightly off topic post, but what if UNI replaced Washpun next year with a grad transfer in Syani Chambers from Harvard? He's small, but a fantastic PG. He had a season ending injury which caused him to sit out this year (Ivy League doesn't do red shirts so he has to take a year away from the program or something like that). He's a Hopkins HS guy (same as Marvin). But with AA transferring, how cool would it be have an experienced high level transfer PG, and then still have McCloud ease into the role?
Chambers, Lohaus, Morfan, Carlson, Koch and then bring McCloud/Haldemann/Brown/Friedman/McD/Dahl/Conrey off the bench. Chambers would have just one year of eligibility.

[Panther100]

Re: What's it gonna take?

This is kind of a slightly off topic post, but what if UNI replaced Washpun next year with a grad transfer in Syani Chambers from Harvard? He's small, but a fantastic PG. He had a season ending injury which caused him to sit out this year (Ivy League doesn't do red shirts so he has to take a year away from the program or something like that). He's a Hopkins HS guy (same as Marvin). But with AA transferring, how cool would it be have an experienced high level transfer PG, and then still have McCloud ease into the role?
Chambers, Lohaus, Morfan, Carlson, Koch and then bring McCloud/Haldemann/Brown/Friedman/McD/Dahl/Conrey off the bench. Chambers would have just one year of eligibility.

I would rather save the thirteenth scholarship for 17-18 season or pick up a high school player. We can use another 2/3 guard. However, the Harvard guy sounds like a good one.

[catsize]

Re: What's it gonna take?

This is kind of a slightly off topic post, but what if UNI replaced Washpun next year with a grad transfer in Syani Chambers from Harvard? He's small, but a fantastic PG. He had a season ending injury which caused him to sit out this year (Ivy League doesn't do red shirts so he has to take a year away from the program or something like that). He's a Hopkins HS guy (same as Marvin). But with AA transferring, how cool would it be have an experienced high level transfer PG, and then still have McCloud ease into the role?
Chambers, Lohaus, Morfan, Carlson, Koch and then bring McCloud/Haldemann/Brown/Friedman/McD/Dahl/Conrey off the bench. Chambers would have just one year of eligibility.

I would think a one and done PG for next year could be good, if he fits in with Jake's system.

Otherwise, let's see if we can find someone who can fill in the gap year we've created in scholarships by redshirting the entire freshman class this year.

[GonzoCat]

Re: What's it gonna take?

I'm afraid some of you could be right with respect to the level of support, it isn't good. The old adage (well as old as that movie) if you build it they will come, comes to mind. My thinking in starting this thread was Jake has built the program, why haven't the recruits come? But it is also true he has built the program why haven't the fans come? I fear there are factors beyond anyones control that will keep UNI from ever having he fan base it deserves. It has increased tremendously over the past two decades, but we don't have another two decades to have it build at that slow pace.

[06panther10]

This is kind of a slightly off topic post, but what if UNI replaced Washpun next year with a grad transfer in Syani Chambers from Harvard? He's small, but a fantastic PG. He had a season ending injury which caused him to sit out this year (Ivy League doesn't do red shirts so he has to take a year away from the program or something like that). He's a Hopkins HS guy (same as Marvin). But with AA transferring, how cool would it be have an experienced high level transfer PG, and then still have McCloud ease into the role?
Chambers, Lohaus, Morfan, Carlson, Koch and then bring McCloud/Haldemann/Brown/Friedman/McD/Dahl/Conrey off the bench. Chambers would have just one year of eligibility.

That would be ideal. Is he looking to transfer? Did we recruit him out of HS?

[06panther10]

I'm afraid some of you could be right with respect to the level of support, it isn't good. The old adage (well as old as that movie) if you build it they will come, comes to mind. My thinking in starting this thread was Jake has built the program, why haven't the recruits come? But it is also true he has built the program why haven't the fans come? I fear there are factors beyond anyones control that will keep UNI from ever having he fan base it deserves. It has increased tremendously over the past two decades, but we don't have another two decades to have it build at that slow pace.

The recruiting has increased, pretty drastically under coach Jake.

[claw]

Re: What's it gonna take?

The recruiting has increased, pretty drastically under coach Jake.

Yep. There are guys from some of the tournament teams from McDermott's era that likely would be end of bench guys on these iterations of UNI teams.

[BCPanther]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Look at the guards on the roster in Jake's first two years. I don't even think we recruit and of offer any of them at this point.

Brooks McKowen
Jared Josten
Adam Viet
Travis Brown

[SteinPizza]

Re: What's it gonna take?

Yep. There are guys from some of the tournament teams from McDermott's era that likely would be end of bench guys on these iterations of UNI teams.

Correct, IMO. There are a few guys who would be significant contributors or play important roles. Gruber, Stout, Crawford, and Benny J come to mind. But, it's doubtful any of them would be "the man" like a few of them were on those teams. The overall talent level of the roster is superior now. R&B is right though, in that it needs to continue trending upward.