20 Wins

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

You do realize that those schools you're talking about grab 99% of the kids that can actually play ball and not just "look good" on the court, right?

Wow! You actually got the point... Now tell me why Koch can't compare to any bigs in those power 5 leagues... Oh, the MVC is a guard league...

[UNIdad]

Re: 20 Wins

Thought I heard something about Doyle being the first Chicago Public School player for Loyola in a long time.

[BCPanther]

Re: 20 Wins

Instead of our rag tag league, why don't you look at power 5 schools? Better yet, look at Final 4 appearances of power 5 schools versus the MVC? Of course Oklahoma State 1945 and 1946. Cincinnati in 1961 and 1962. Drake in 1969. Wichita State in 2013. What do you think the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, and the SEC look like with inner city, JC, and Prep School kids? Oh, quite a few Final Fours out them there power 5 schools...

So, you were proven wrong so you moved the goalposts into the next county...

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

So, you were proven wrong so you moved the goalposts into the next county...

I wasn't proven wrong in the least... The point is we'll never get the inner city, JC, Prep School, Suburb, or small town kids to win... The MVC is a guard oriented league and we can't develop bigs to compete with the best schools... The furthest we've been is at the D2 level 4th place with Coach Stewart in the mid 1960's... 1964 to be exact... We went 23-4 in the 63-64 season... UNI was called State College of Iowa in 1964...

[hoopfan]

Re: 20 Wins

This staff has a limited budget and almost never recruits the inner cities, junior colleges, or prep schools. I'm sure they view those kids as an academic risk. The staff were all guards in their playing days. They don't develop the bigs very well at all. I would tell you not to hold your breathe when it comes to making the NCAA. It's going to take in the range of 3-6 years before we get to the Dance. Of course that would be assuming Coach Jake sticks around that long... Now, next season the NIT is in play. Maybe a 7-8 seed, but I would say the new recruits (Phyfe/new 3 guard) need to be ready to contribute out of the gate...

Instead of our rag tag league, why don't you look at power 5 schools? Better yet, look at Final 4 appearances of power 5 schools versus the MVC? Of course Oklahoma State 1945 and 1946. Cincinnati in 1961 and 1962. Drake in 1969. Wichita State in 2014. What do you think the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, and the SEC look like with inner city, JC, and Prep School kids? Oh, quite a few Final Fours out them there power 5 schools...

Wow! You actually got the point... Now tell me why Koch can't compare to any bigs in those power 5 leagues... Oh, the MVC is a guard league...

I wasn't proven wrong in the least... The point is we'll never get the inner city, JC, Prep School, Suburb, or small town kids to win... The MVC is a guard oriented league and we can't develop bigs to compete with the best schools... The furthest we've been is at the D2 level 4th place with Coach Stewart in the mid 1960's...

We can't prove you wrong when we don't know what the argument is.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

We can't prove you wrong when we don't know what the argument is.

Okay, Hoopfan. Back to your whinny slumber party...

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

Gee, when Jake retires I don't think we'll be seeing Bill Self...

[Gboom23]

Re: 20 Wins

Same story, second verse for Panther100/Pantherlope2019.

Makes up a bogus argument, gets proven wrong time and time again. Changes the story to seem like less of a clown. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

Same story, second verse for Panther100/Pantherlope2019.

Makes up a bogus argument, gets proven wrong time and time again. Changes the story to seem like less of a clown. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

The truth must hurt... 1950 DI Wrestling National Title will be the best it will get... With 2 D2 Wrestling National Titles...

[UNIdad]

Re: 20 Wins

I wasn't proven wrong in the least... The point is we'll never get the inner city, JC, Prep School, Suburb, or small town kids to win... The MVC is a guard oriented league and we can't develop bigs to compete with the best schools... The furthest we've been is at the D2 level 4th place with Coach Stewart in the mid 1960's... 1964 to be exact... We went 23-4 in the 63-64 season... UNI was called State College of Iowa in 1964...

Against my better judgment, I will enter the conversation with 'lope.

So if we will never get the inner city, JC, prep school, suburb, or small town kids to win . . . who is left? I suppose medium-sized cities, farms, Pacific islands. Or are you just saying that we simply can't recruit good players?

Seems to me that good players come from all over and coaches should be looking in all sectors for good players they can recruit.

[hoopfan]

Re: 20 Wins

The truth must hurt... 1950 DI Wrestling National Title will be the best it will get... With 2 D2 Wrestling National Titles...

You forgot about Michelle Obama doing the Interlude, but otherwise you're spot on.

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

You forgot about Michelle Obama doing the Interlude, but otherwise you're spot on.

Obama? Who Dat?

[Pantherlope2019]

Re: 20 Wins

Against my better judgment, I will enter the conversation with 'lope.

So if we will never get the inner city, JC, prep school, suburb, or small town kids to win . . . who is left? I suppose medium-sized cities, farms, Pacific islands. Or are you just saying that we simply can't recruit good players?

Seems to me that good players come from all over and coaches should be looking in all sectors for good players they can recruit.

We get the suburb and small city kids that won't make the
Elite Eight of DI BB....We don't have the recruiting money for the Pacfic Rim.

[UNIGrainer]

Re: 20 Wins

It can be argued that everyone on this list had a greater ceiling than they achieved at UNI. I agree with grainer, Jake has, by and large, not done a very good job of bringing in, or developing bigs.
Part of this has to do with the style of offense he runs and his rebounding philosophy, but the point remains, bigs just don't develop well, offensively, under Jakes regime, imo. Outside of making them a more inside/outside threat, the back to the basket style moves just don't seem to improve as much as you'd expect over 4/5 years.

Most of the guys on that list were all-Valley and won league titles. And you have a couple Larry Bird Trophy guys on there.

What are your standards?

[UNI Ka-Bullseye]

Re: 20 Wins

The next time we run an out of bounds play from the baseline to score a basket instead of lobbing it to somebody out on top will be the first time in a while.

Yes. Seems like we used to do more of this, but now we would rather back it out into our offense than trying for a quick hitter. During a phase when our offense is not regularly lighting it up, some well designed BLOB plays might help give a spark.