UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[TH1974]

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A Texas v Nebraska Big XII Championship this winter could be fun though.

Indeed. I might actually watch that.

[96' Alum]

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You can't just kick teams out (and it has only happened once in BCS history) - no team is in danger.

It sounds as if Nebraska is it for now (and it is a done deal). Now Delaney has 5 slots to threaten ND with, and I think it will ultimately work.

Please, you don't know that at all....Especially when you are creating a new reality...The rules haven't been written yet.


The problem is that Fox will need to continue to spread their network, in order to increase profits...So where is next expansion going to go? It has to be south....

Considering the SEC TV revenue was less than 35 million behind the Big 10/11, without Fox creating a network for them...You have the new arms race in college athletics.

So Fox expands the network to the south for more subscriptions, they will eventually run out of spots for teams....It will become a time when you have to bring something to the table...A state with a continued decline in population, and diminishing TV sets for cable is not as secure as you want to make it seem.

It doesn't matter about how they compete, it doesn't matter how many fans will travel to bowl games...It matters what they will bring for cable markets. Iowa is already saturated....Plus it isn't like Iowa is a national program even in football (sorry to break it to you News, and Stein), and nobody outside of a few of the states care at all about wrestling....They have a poor history in basketball as well.

Also, before Nebraska, they were the lowest ranked university in the Big 10/11...And don't forget that now with the economic impact that will occur at Iowa State losing grants and enrollment, etc....That will also have an impact on the population, and even your tax dollars...

[TH1974]

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No one is going to get kicked out.

[96' Alum]

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BTW - does this fiasco, if it does in fact leave ISU without a life vest, take the heat off of UNI for a while with regards to using student fees to support athletics?

Actually, I am pretty sure that Iowa State's problems are going to draw attention to UNI.

We are now a one trick pony...There isn't going to be much if any room left for UNI and Iowa State...They will be forced to sacrifice for the U of I now more than ever, and that will have massive impacts on the budgets of those two schools.

We have Marvin Pomerantz's dream that he worked very hard to acheive.....Uof I is the only major university in the state....

[96' Alum]

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No one is going to get kicked out.

You may be right....BUT you may also be wrong...And that's why as a Hawk fan you should take no joy in this situation....It isn't a big step to having the bullseye place right on you.

Remember, other than affiliation of what has become now a fluid entity, Iowa brings NOTHING to the Big 10/11, and more importantly the Big 10/11 network.

[doolittledog]

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I'm guessing Northwestern would have a lot less to bring to the table than Iowa.

Purdue??? Indiana??? When there would also be Notre Dame in the conference! Those schools would be on the chopping block before Iowa.

[Trapped in California]

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They will be forced to sacrifice for the U of I now more than ever, and that will have massive impacts on the budgets of those two schools.

Sorry, but I am not following this statement. Iowa is one of a handful of schools nationally that is turning an overall profit in athletics. The reason for expanding the Big 10 is to provide a net increase in funds to the existing members, even after increasing the split with however many new schools.

ISU, if left out in the cold, is going to have a painful adjustment period of a new financial reality of a lower revenue conference. Sports like gymnastics will be cut. ISU currently collects +/- $7.5 M per year from Big 12. Moving to the Mountain West would slice that conference contribution to about $1.5 - $3 M, depending on their BCS earnings and how it is split. A net decrease of $4 - $6 M per year, plus increased travel costs. This added to their current deficit.

UNI's problems are small in comparison, using real numbers, not relative percentage of budget.

[GonzoCat]

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One thing I heard on the news tonight that I haven't seen here or elsewhere before. The 7 schools leaving the B12 have to pay $10 million each to be split between the remaining 5 if less than 9 vote to disband the conference. So the remaining 5 teams can keep the B12 name, scrounge up 7 new teams to join, or less, it probably doesn't have to have 12 members, and they each pocket a one time $14 million buyout.

Under that scenario they would no longer be a BCS level conference of course, but they still stay together in a conference and get un up front windfall to take some of the financial pain away temporarily.

[cydave]

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One thing I heard on the news tonight that I haven't seen here or elsewhere before. The 7 schools leaving the B12 have to pay $10 million each to be split between the remaining 5 if less than 9 vote to disband the conference. So the remaining 5 teams can keep the B12 name, scrounge up 7 new teams to join, or less, it probably doesn't have to have 12 members, and they each pocket a one time $14 million buyout.

Under that scenario they would no longer be a BCS level conference of course, but they still stay together in a conference and get un up front windfall to take some of the financial pain away temporarily.

Not exactly sure on the numbers, but from what I have read/heard is that if there are so many teams leaving, I don't know if its 6 or 7 or 9 or whatever, then those teams can vote and void that buyout fee. Meaning, the teams leaving would owe nothing and leave the rest without a penny.
So, if that number is 9, if every team leaves minus KSU, KU, and ISU, well then, we are screwed even more. As of right now, it doesn't look like it will be 9 teams leaving, but again I don't know the actual number.

[TravelingPanther]

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9 is the number I heard.

[Cat80]

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While enjoying a late dinner last night with Cat78 and discussing conference shakeup, Cat78 said ISU could join a conference with one school that would solve all their problems, be one they would happy to be with, and live happily ever after. What school would this be, I ask? The response with a wicked smile: The Bison, and if they really wanted to make a national power conference, they could add Wichita, because football doesn't matter. Brought a tear to me eye.

[Newsbreaker]

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No one is going to get kicked out.

Don't you understand?!?! Fox! Growing empire! No one is safe! The league charter and bylaws magically disappear! Fox!

One thing I heard on the news tonight that I haven't seen here or elsewhere before. The 7 schools leaving the B12 have to pay $10 million each to be split between the remaining 5 if less than 9 vote to disband the conference. So the remaining 5 teams can keep the B12 name, scrounge up 7 new teams to join, or less, it probably doesn't have to have 12 members, and they each pocket a one time $14 million buyout.

Under that scenario they would no longer be a BCS level conference of course, but they still stay together in a conference and get un up front windfall to take some of the financial pain away temporarily.

Texas (read: their lawyers) are reportedly pretty certain it only takes a bare majority to dissolve. If that is true then the league goes away and the left-behind-five become men without a country (and without a check in the mail).

[96' Alum]

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I'm guessing Northwestern would have a lot less to bring to the table than Iowa.

Purdue??? Indiana??? When there would also be Notre Dame in the conference! Those schools would be on the chopping block before Iowa.

Are you serious? The first thing NW brings is academic prestige....This may be a money grab, but the presidents aren't going to go too far over the edge.

Second, Chicago market...Especially when you consider that the Big 10/11 network is headquartered in Chicago, using the old Fox studios and well...Northwestern isn't going anywhere.

And you also seem to forget the Indianapolis market...Plus Indiana and Purdue are safe because of Notre Dame...

I am sorry if that doesn't fit the Iowa fan ideal, but Iowa will be the first one they look at.

[96' Alum]

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Sorry, but I am not following this statement. Iowa is one of a handful of schools nationally that is turning an overall profit in athletics. The reason for expanding the Big 10 is to provide a net increase in funds to the existing members, even after increasing the split with however many new schools.

ISU, if left out in the cold, is going to have a painful adjustment period of a new financial reality of a lower revenue conference. Sports like gymnastics will be cut. ISU currently collects +/- $7.5 M per year from Big 12. Moving to the Mountain West would slice that conference contribution to about $1.5 - $3 M, depending on their BCS earnings and how it is split. A net decrease of $4 - $6 M per year, plus increased travel costs. This added to their current deficit.

UNI's problems are small in comparison, using real numbers, not relative percentage of budget.

But you also are forgetting that Iowa State has done facility improvements on the football stadium in the past few years that were paid for by borrowing against projected revenue from remaining in a BCS conference....

They lose this income, and the how do they pay back the loans??? They borrowed the money in one world, and now they are looking at having to pay it back in another.

Then you add the loss of grant money which will be sure to follow, which affects the overall quality and prestige of the university as a whole. That leads to possible dimished enrollment, which has a huge economic impact on central Iowa that has to be made up somewhere....The total economic impact of this for the state as a whole will be big....

This fact will make the people in power take looks at everything that could be construed as a money loser....UNI athletics gets crumbs now, the slice of bread gets smaller with this move.

[96' Alum]

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[QUOTE=Newsbreaker;231113]Don't you understand?!?! Fox! Growing empire! No one is safe! The league charter and bylaws magically disappear! Fox!



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I get that you are a typical Hawk idiot, OK, I get it...

But in the same smart ass vein...You create an entity that destroys the BCS (not a bad thing), and strips the NCAA of much of their regulatory powers.....BUT that league charter is safe....Right Newsy...