UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[Newsbreaker]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[QUOTE=96' Alum;231117]

Don't you understand?!?! Fox! Growing empire! No one is safe! The league charter and bylaws magically disappear! Fox!



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I get that you are a typical Hawk idiot, OK, I get it...

But in the same smart ass vein...You create an entity that destroys the BCS (not a bad thing), and strips the NCAA of much of their regulatory powers.....BUT that league charter is safe....Right Newsy...

You have yet to point to anything other than your own opinion that Fox is behind all this. You lack a single commentator, whether they be affiliated with Fox or not, who have for a single moment pointed to Fox as the driving force behind expansion. You have been appropriately mocked for claiming that Fox won't let non-Fox media entities publish these reports.

Find one, just one, before you take a jab at anyone.

Nobody has destroyed the BCS. The BCS will continue, at least short-term, with the new system. There may be fewer BCS automatic qualifier leagues, but nobody has talked about the BCS immediately being replaced.

The league charter is a legal document. It doesn't just go away because the landscape has changed. The league teams have to dissolve it and replace it with something else. Nothing indicates that is happening. In fact, that charter is determining the process being used right now.

You should stop making things up to serve the conclusions you want to achieve and try dealing in reality with the rest of us.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

'96 how'd you get so good at making friends around here?

[96' Alum]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

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You have yet to point to anything other than your own opinion that Fox is behind all this. You lack a single commentator, whether they be affiliated with Fox or not, who have for a single moment pointed to Fox as the driving force behind expansion. You have been appropriately mocked for claiming that Fox won't let non-Fox media entities publish these reports.

Find one, just one, before you take a jab at anyone.

Nobody has destroyed the BCS. The BCS will continue, at least short-term, with the new system. There may be fewer BCS automatic qualifier leagues, but nobody has talked about the BCS immediately being replaced.

The league charter is a legal document. It doesn't just go away because the landscape has changed. The league teams have to dissolve it and replace it with something else. Nothing indicates that is happening. In fact, that charter is determining the process being used right now.

You should stop making things up to serve the conclusions you want to achieve and try dealing in reality with the rest of us.

Ummm, it was Stein that even said that the Big 10/11 network is headquartered in the old FOX Sports Chicago building....But I am sure that is just a coincidence...

As far as Fox talent...I have seen Clarissa Thompson, who was a national reporter for FOX SPORTS, do sideline work, and she hosts all of the "Big Ten's Greatest" shows....Anyway, why would they raid their own national talent for a regional network?

As far as your league charter goes, again, remember this is a new entity that is being created. And as you yourself said, and I am paraphrasing here, new markets for the network are a consideration as again you, yourself, demonstrated with your Missouri example...Hmmm

As far as your charter....Just remember that this is a new entity....All of the rules haven't been written yet....If/when they expand again, whomever they bring in will by necessity bring a new market with them....And if/when this happens, the money will be great enough that the precious charter will become a suggestion....Especially when pressure is put upon the current members to canibalize one of their own for the sake of more money....No matter what happens, there will always be teams that are unhappy with the split of the TV revenue in their conference...

And as a person who is approaching this from a market study vantage point, again as you yourself said, you have to realize that this entity will attempt to continue to grow in order to profit and even survive....

Plus since we don't know how the new Big 10/11-16 + will ultimately look, you haven't apparently even considered the impact of and Ohio State or a Michigan deciding that things aren't shaking out in their best interests, and the trouble that they could cause....

[96' Alum]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

'96 how'd you get so good at making friends around here?

Dude, all I do is love you....

[Trapped in California]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Wait - Fox is taking over the world now? What happened to Clear Channel? I am going to have to adjust my foil hat to block out the Fox signals instead. There goes the weekend.

[96' Alum]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Wait - Fox is taking over the world now? What happened to Clear Channel? I am going to have to adjust my foil hat to block out the Fox signals instead. There goes the weekend.

Well considering Clear Channel is a radio network, and what we are talking about is televison, I wish you luck with trying to figure out how to rearrange your foil...

If this process blocks out Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, I will tell you "you're welcome" now...

[Newsbreaker]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Ummm, it was Stein that even said that the Big 10/11 network is headquartered in the old FOX Sports Chicago building....But I am sure that is just a coincidence...

That proves nothing. We know Fox has a minority ownership interest in the BTN. That does not prove that Fox is the force pushing the Big Ten to expand. Again, if this is so easy for everyone to figure out, considering the hundreds of articles written on this subject in the past few months, you should be able to find one make the connection. Just one.

None of the Fox connections you cite prove what you're trying to prove. They only display the relationship between Fox, as minority owner and the expert in broadcasting, and the league, and association of schools providing competitive content. Just one article. You only have to find one.

As far as your league charter goes, again, remember this is a new entity that is being created.

No, it is not. Nebraska is joining an existing legal organization (I'm fairly certain the league is incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation). Nothing "new" is being created. A partner is joining into something that already exists, and as part of that process they accept and become subject to all existing regulations, bylaws and charter provisions.

This happens to thousands of businesses every year. It is the least remarkable thing on the planet.

And if/when this happens, the money will be great enough that the precious charter will become a suggestion.

That isn't how it works. The Big Ten would have to dissolve, the group wind up its affairs, and then start a new group. That is not what happens. This is a simple matter of a new partner joining an existing corporation, and again, they assent to all bylaws and the existing charter.

[96' Alum]

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That proves nothing. We know Fox has a minority ownership interest in the BTN. That does not prove that Fox is the force pushing the Big Ten to expand. Again, if this is so easy for everyone to figure out, considering the hundreds of articles written on this subject in the past few months, you should be able to find one make the connection. Just one.

None of the Fox connections you cite prove what you're trying to prove. They only display the relationship between Fox, as minority owner and the expert in broadcasting, and the league, and association of schools providing competitive content. Just one article. You only have to find one.



No, it is not. Nebraska is joining an existing legal organization (I'm fairly certain the league is incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation). Nothing "new" is being created. A partner is joining into something that already exists, and as part of that process they accept and become subject to all existing regulations, bylaws and charter provisions.

This happens to thousands of businesses every year. It is the least remarkable thing on the planet.



That isn't how it works. The Big Ten would have to dissolve, the group wind up its affairs, and then start a new group. That is not what happens. This is a simple matter of a new partner joining an existing corporation, and again, they assent to all bylaws and the existing charter.

Of course Nebraska is joining an established entity, the invitation had to be extended from somewhere....

So you are if enough of the conference members decide that they need to break the charter, then they can do so....

Again, it is amusing that you contradict yourself, on the one hand, citing your Missouri example, the television market they bring is a main driving force for the possibility of extending an invitation....YET you refuse to acknowledge Fox Cable's role in the decisions on who gets the invitations....They are just the media expert??? Please, you are in essence saying that they are just there to help run the cameras???

IF this were about academics, as you state play a large part in the offers, then why would they not go after the top rated schools that fit the Big 10/11 criteria, with no thought to national athletic (football) prestige?

Every offer, and rumored offer is in markets where the network is not currently offered as a part of basic cable...These offers bring large populations with them (even Nebraska gets you the upper plain states and at least 10 million new TV sets)....So I am sure that when Jim Delany was looking for expansion opportunities, he looked solely at academics...Please,

This is becoming funny News, you are either dense (which is obviously not true) or your fandom renders you incapable of admitting this is nothing more than a business move which is motivated by expanding televison markets...

[GonzoCat]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Did he actually say "Iowa has two state universities"? Can you link that if so?

No he didn't say it quite like that. I think the wording was more along the lines of he wanted to make sure that both Iowa and Iowa State were taken care of in any conference realignment that occurs. So he only implied there were just two state universities, he didn't actually say it in so many words.

I'm probably overly sensitive, but I get so tired of state officials, business leaders, and everybody else in this state, outside of die hard UNI fans, always acting like there are only two. It's always been that way and it's probably never going to change so I shouldn't let it upset me.

Nobody has taken the time to analyze what effect this could have on UNI, or care, or worry about it. It's going to be a positive for Iowa no matter what, so if they are going to worry about the effect on two state universities it should be ISU and UNI. Not that any government officials should be sticking their noses in it in the first place.

I see Grassley has now made statements he's going to use all of his power to make sure ISU "comes out" okay. When the BOR started threatening the entire AD at UNI I can't remember Culver or Grassley having any comments or concerns.

[Scrambler]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Of course Nebraska is joining an established entity, the invitation had to be extended from somewhere....

So you are if enough of the conference members decide that they need to break the charter, then they can do so....

Again, it is amusing that you contradict yourself, on the one hand, citing your Missouri example, the television market they bring is a main driving force for the possibility of extending an invitation....YET you refuse to acknowledge Fox Cable's role in the decisions on who gets the invitations....They are just the media expert??? Please, you are in essence saying that they are just there to help run the cameras???

IF this were about academics, as you state play a large part in the offers, then why would they not go after the top rated schools that fit the Big 10/11 criteria, with no thought to national athletic (football) prestige?

Every offer, and rumored offer is in markets where the network is not currently offered as a part of basic cable...These offers bring large populations with them (even Nebraska gets you the upper plain states and at least 10 million new TV sets)....So I am sure that when Jim Delany was looking for expansion opportunities, he looked solely at academics...Please,

This is becoming funny News, you are either dense (which is obviously not true) or your fandom renders you incapable of admitting this is nothing more than a business move which is motivated by expanding televison markets...

I agree this whole expansion is about TV money and nothing else... yes they have to pick schools that would "fit in academically" but that is only so they can say it isn't just about money... this is more geared towards the pac 10 expansion but it has the same basis for the big 10.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

"The coach said the Pac-10 favored Colorado over Baylor because of the Buffaloes' presence in the Denver TV market."

"It would take a week to 10 days to finalize the details of a Pac-16. The blockbuster deal would add the nation's No. 5 (Dallas), No. 10 (Houston) and No. 16 (Denver) TV markets to the conference, which already includes No. 2 Los Angeles, No. 6 San Francisco, No. 12 Phoenix and No. 13 Seattle"

[UNIAlum95]

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I agree this whole expansion is about TV money and nothing else... yes they have to pick schools that would "fit in academically" but that is only so they can say it isn't just about money... this is more geared towards the pac 10 expansion but it has the same basis for the big 10.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

"The coach said the Pac-10 favored Colorado over Baylor because of the Buffaloes' presence in the Denver TV market."

"It would take a week to 10 days to finalize the details of a Pac-16. The blockbuster deal would add the nation's No. 5 (Dallas), No. 10 (Houston) and No. 16 (Denver) TV markets to the conference, which already includes No. 2 Los Angeles, No. 6 San Francisco, No. 12 Phoenix and No. 13 Seattle"

Cal is refusing to accept Baylor as an option due to their religious ties. They may try to sell it as Denver TV but this is as much about religion as anything else.

[96' Alum]

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No he didn't say it quite like that. I think the wording was more along the lines of he wanted to make sure that both Iowa and Iowa State were taken care of in any conference realignment that occurs. So he only implied there were just two state universities, he didn't actually say it in so many words.

I'm probably overly sensitive, but I get so tired of state officials, business leaders, and everybody else in this state, outside of die hard UNI fans, always acting like there are only two. It's always been that way and it's probably never going to change so I shouldn't let it upset me.

Nobody has taken the time to analyze what effect this could have on UNI, or care, or worry about it. It's going to be a positive for Iowa no matter what, so if they are going to worry about the effect on two state universities it should be ISU and UNI. Not that any government officials should be sticking their noses in it in the first place.

I see Grassley has now made statements he's going to use all of his power to make sure ISU "comes out" okay. When the BOR started threatening the entire AD at UNI I can't remember Culver or Grassley having any comments or concerns.

As I have been stating, Iowa is fine for now and the foreseeable future....

BUT UNI is always third on the totem pole, it's a fact...And the economic impact of Iowa State losing their BCS standing also leads to Iowa State losing much of their prestige as a university...That leads to Iowa State losing much of the 225 million in research grants, especially if they go 3 hours west to Lincoln....That hurts the quality of professor you attract, and will ultimately effect enrollment....Story and Polk County are going to lose a lot of money in this move....It also will affect hiring decisions for businesses as the Iowa State degree loses prestige forcing people to relocate...

What does this do to an alreading shrinking population base?

Then you have to remember the bonds that were issued as Iowa State improved facilities. They did this with the idea that they were going to stay in a BCS conference. Now that more than likely has changed. The revenue flow will be interupted, and diminished making it tougher for them to pay off their debts...

This could very easily cause the state to step in and prop up Iowa State further, and at whose expense will that come from??? Certainly not Iowa's.

That piece of bread that UNI has gotten the crumbs from over the years will get smaller. What that does to scholarship football at UNI is scary proposition....It isn't like Iowa cares if we go to the Pioneer League. Iowa State certainly doesn't either, they have to think about their own survivial as a mid major.

Iowa's problem will come when the people at Fox want to get into new territories....All of these economic issues will lead to even larger population issues with the continued migration to the South. That is where Fox will look to expand next....

These are all things that are way in the future, 10 years or more. But when this new entity, that wrote 242 million dollars in revenue checks this past year, takes a look at the real bottom line, just what does Iowa have to offer?

[9YRPLAN]

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i have never, ever, in my whole life seen someone who is a such a natural douchebag put so much effort into being an even bigger douchebag.

96 is seriously the MJ of douchebaggery. transcendent. awe-inspiring. the true GOAT.

[96' Alum]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

i have never, ever, in my whole life seen someone who is a such a natural douchebag put so much effort into being an even bigger douchebag.

96 is seriously the MJ of douchebaggery. transcendent. awe-inspiring. the true GOAT.

Coming from that Hawk obsessed pea sized brain that you are working with, I will respond by saying "thank you for the compliment." Hey I understand that it is my shortcoming that I can't relate to what you are saying....I figure I can get there, but it would require me to be head injured to a vegetative state to work on your level...

BTW, it's nice of you to pop off in this thread...It must have taken time away from scouring the Hawk sites to let us know if we should waste our time on any potential recruit based on whether Iowa wants them or not....

That has been a classy move on your part (fitting), that you took time to let us know that Iowa's recruiting strategy with these kids ON A UNI SITE...

[Trapped in California]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

Cal is refusing to accept Baylor as an option due to their religious ties. They may try to sell it as Denver TV but this is as much about religion as anything else.

Oh please - next you are going to say TH & Mudrafan don't like each other. Cal treats everyone the same. Just ask them, they will let you know...