UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[Trapped in California]

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BUT UNI is always third on the totem pole, it's a fact...And the economic impact of Iowa State losing their BCS standing also leads to Iowa State losing much of their prestige as a university...That leads to Iowa State losing much of the 225 million in research grants, especially if they go 3 hours west to Lincoln....That hurts the quality of professor you attract, and will ultimately effect enrollment....Story and Polk County are going to lose a lot of money in this move....It also will affect hiring decisions for businesses as the Iowa State degree loses prestige forcing people to relocate...

While ISU is in trouble athletically, I don't believe that their AAU membership hinges on being a member of the Big 12 (or previously the Big 8). Stony Brook (NY) seems to being just fine in getting grant money while sucking at FB and not being a member of the BCS. So does University of Buffalo. So does MIT, UC Davis, Cal Tech, Cornell, Brandies, et al.

People don't make grants based on the 30 second University promo shown during halftime. "Wow, ISU invented the computer? Didn't know that. Let me scratch you a billion dollar grant"

Signed

Bill Gates

[CincyPanther88]

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No he didn't say it quite like that. I think the wording was more along the lines of he wanted to make sure that both Iowa and Iowa State were taken care of in any conference realignment that occurs. So he only implied there were just two state universities, he didn't actually say it in so many words.

I'm probably overly sensitive, but I get so tired of state officials, business leaders, and everybody else in this state, outside of die hard UNI fans, always acting like there are only two. It's always been that way and it's probably never going to change so I shouldn't let it upset me.

I'm as sensitive to slights to UNI as anyone but since UNI isn't involved in any conference realignment, they really didn't need to be mentioned.

[Newsbreaker]

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You're going to have to help me here.

This:

As far as your league charter goes, again, remember this is a new entity that is being created.

and this:

Of course Nebraska is joining an established entity, the invitation had to be extended from somewhere....

Thanks.

So you are if enough of the conference members decide that they need to break the charter, then they can do so....

Well sure, and that may require a simple majority ala the Big XII, or it could require unanimity. If enough conference members decide to convert their football programs into a new division in the CFL they can do that too. If if if.

Again, it is amusing that you contradict yourself, on the one hand, citing your Missouri example, the television market they bring is a main driving force for the possibility of extending an invitation....YET you refuse to acknowledge Fox Cable's role in the decisions on who gets the invitations....They are just the media expert??? Please, you are in essence saying that they are just there to help run the cameras???

These aren't contradictions. The Big Ten league schools independently profit from increased BTN revenues. That has nothing to do with Fox. The fact that Fox will also profit does not mean that Fox is twisting the Big Ten's arm to expand. Again, find us ONE, just ONE place describing Fox as the motivating factor here. All you have to do is find one. Why can't you?

IF this were about academics, as you state play a large part in the offers, then why would they not go after the top rated schools that fit the Big 10/11 criteria, with no thought to national athletic (football) prestige?

Because it isn't only about academics. That is one factor amongst many. You do understand that multiple factors can play into a decision, and that choices can be made while trying to achieve the best balance of those various factors, don't you? You can seek to increase competitiveness, revenue, and then try to find the best academic school that helps you do that.

Every offer, and rumored offer is in markets where the network is not currently offered as a part of basic cable...These offers bring large populations with them (even Nebraska gets you the upper plain states and at least 10 million new TV sets)....So I am sure that when Jim Delany was looking for expansion opportunities, he looked solely at academics...Please,

When you get done finding that Fox article, blogpost or whatever, please link back to the place in this discussion where it was stated that academics were the sole criteria. Nobody here has ever said it was the sole criteria. This task should be very easy for you, unless you made the "sole" part up.

This is becoming funny News, you are either dense (which is obviously not true) or your fandom renders you incapable of admitting this is nothing more than a business move which is motivated by expanding televison markets...

I have admitted that all along. Of course it's about TV and revenue. Nobody has said otherwise. That doesn't mean that academics aren't a factor in deciding whom to invite and who not to invite. Also, the fact that it's about TV and revenue does not mean that the league schools (who want to make more money through TV) aren't the driving force.

This is really embarrassing for you. I think you're so sure you have to argue with me that you aren't even paying attention to what is being said. Seriously, I'm embarrassed for you.

[williebat]

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I'm as sensitive to slights to UNI as anyone but since UNI isn't involved in any conference realignment, they really didn't need to be mentioned.

I agree I don't think culver slighted UNI and Grassley is an Active UNI alum.

I really don't think any of this hurts UNI. Hell it may even strengthen the valley depending on who goes where.

I bet texas tech goes to the MWC and possibly baylor. This would improve our MWC MVC challenge.

Who knows maybe the valley picks up some teams for basketball. Who I have no idea. Without football it is hard to see but you never know.

[UNIpanther99]

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I would like to see the upper echelon of non-BCS FBS schools end up somewhere, and then the rest combine with FCS to have really just two divisions of D-1 football. BCS, and non-BCS competing for what currently is the FCS playoffs. The Utahs, BYUs, TCUs, and BSU's of the world end up in a BCS conference and the rest of C-USA, MWC, and Sunbelt end up competing with the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, etc.

[96' Alum]

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While ISU is in trouble athletically, I don't believe that their AAU membership hinges on being a member of the Big 12 (or previously the Big 8). Stony Brook (NY) seems to being just fine in getting grant money while sucking at FB and not being a member of the BCS. So does University of Buffalo. So does MIT, UC Davis, Cal Tech, Cornell, Brandies, et al.

People don't make grants based on the 30 second University promo shown during halftime. "Wow, ISU invented the computer? Didn't know that. Let me scratch you a billion dollar grant"

Signed

Bill Gates

They won't lose all of their grant money obviously, but they will be effected by this.

First look at the increases in applications UNI received because we spent a week as a national darling when we beat Kansas in the NCAA tournament. People will look into schools for the silliest reasons, and that drives additional enrollment, and therefore money.

You also fail to mention that a main reason for the grants being awarded is based on the prestige of the faculty member(s) that will be doing the studies...Loss of BCS financial standing at a school that still takes state money to operate their athletic department will by necessity force resources to be re-allocated....Shifting of department monies will impact your staffing situation....Lose too many respected professors to schools that are able to compensate them at a higher level will affect everything....Plus you lose those potential grant monies to other schools furthering their efforts, while continuing your decline..

What being in a BCS (top 6) conference does for Iowa State is it gives it visability....Take away that visability, and you lose options.

As far as the schools you listed, many are renowned academic institutions, Iowa State isn't. The ones like Stony Brook, UC Davis, etc. have built in location advantages....Ames, Iowa is not a destination location.

[Trapped in California]

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UC Davis is a mirror of Iowa State if there was ever. Vet school, ag school (replace corn & beans with grapes), computer/engineering. In a smaller town than Ames 30 miles from state capitol (Sac is viewed a cow tow, not a destination). 28,000 students, mostly in state. Viewed as a safety school to Cal & UCLA.

UCD is moving from DII to FCS. In the process, they are cutting sports.

UCD as a school is doing nothing but growing. It has little, if anything to do with the athletic programs, which have been iffy in the D I FCS transition.

ISU needs to view this like Rham Emmanuel would - don't let a good crisis go to waste. It is an opportunity to change the institution's trajectory for the better. Or let others define you by trying to hold onto something that is no longer there.

Speaking of which - Bill Self is up on ESPN radio next.

Rock. Chalk. Mountain West walk.

[Newsbreaker]

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I would like to see the upper echelon of non-BCS FBS schools end up somewhere, and then the rest combine with FCS to have really just two divisions of D-1 football. BCS, and non-BCS competing for what currently is the FCS playoffs. The Utahs, BYUs, TCUs, and BSU's of the world end up in a BCS conference and the rest of C-USA, MWC, and Sunbelt end up competing with the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, etc.

This is exactly what I kind of hope ends up happening. I think it is unlikely, however, thanks to the bored boys of Washington.

[SteinPizza]

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...And the economic impact of Iowa State losing their BCS standing also leads to Iowa State losing much of their prestige as a university...That leads to Iowa State losing much of the 225 million in research grants, especially if they go 3 hours west to Lincoln....That hurts the quality of professor you attract, and will ultimately effect enrollment....Story and Polk County are going to lose a lot of money in this move....It also will affect hiring decisions for businesses as the Iowa State degree loses prestige forcing people to relocate...

What does this do to an alreading shrinking population base?

I can't see Iowa State's academic side being hugely impacted by this. I also don't see any negative impact on Polk County. The Greater DSM area and Iowa State don't have a lot to do with each other. Sure, Iowa State probably has some positive impact, but nothing significant enough to really matter. Story County, different story. As a DSM native, I'd be far more worried if an insurance company decided to fold or move it's HQ, since that's what the economy of the area is really based on.

'96, I think you're creating a conspiracy style doomsday scenario that doesn't exist. Conspiracy in the sense that it's all controlled by Fox. I'm holding my breath for the announcement that Bill O'Reilly is being named as the new Big Ten Commissioner.

[CincyPanther88]

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Wherever ISU ends up it has to be better than the Big 12 as far as playing teams closer to their level. Whether it's Mountain West or CUSA or the MAC it has to be better for the sports teams that they aren't playing Oklahoma and Texas and Kansas most every year.

[GonzoCat]

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It's going to end up where GMAC could have stayed at ISU and gotten his chance to be successful at the mid major level again without bothering to move to Omaha.

[doolittledog]

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I don't know, Omaha>Ames

[Trapped in California]

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I am now willing to accept mediocrity

[06panther10]

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Its really kind of sad what happens to iowa state. Something bad always happens to them and they almost have never been a winner, and then you ask yourself "how much worse could it get now?", and then it almost always does get worse.

[06panther10]

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Iowa State and the B12 rejects are now rumored to be talking to the Big East now. 12 team FB conf and a 20 team BB conf.