UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

[96' Alum]

Re: UNI to join a conference with Kansas and ISU?

PTTB, you are right, the Big East does the least amount of damage...

Stein, Iowa has and will continue to get the best in state talent in football....Iowa State losing the Texas schools pretty much dries up Texas a recruiting area....In addition, you add that there is a real possibility that they will move to a "mid major" conference, and that changes the entire scope of the type of player that they will recruit...

Cydave had a stat on Iowa State's last recruiting class, and most were from Texas....Without that market, they have to change the areas they recruit....If this happens, they will take the same type of player that we do....They will still for the time being be FBS school, and that will hurt the instate, and even midwest recruiting for UNI...There will be some that may still come here, but the lure of an in-state FBS school is going to lose a lot of kids for us....

And yet again, News avoids a simple question....Shocking, the sad part is that even in your prime, all of the news that you "broke" was probably two days after everyone already knew about it....WHO WROTE THE TV REVENUE CHECKS TO THE BIG 10/11 SCHOOLS???

Come on shep, it isn't a tough question....You shouldn't even have to google it....

[96' Alum]

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I think you guys are both making sense, and really, you both are probably right to some extent. I don't think it's a hard-and-fast situation where UNI is definitely better one way or the other. It varies from year-to-year and from kid-to-kid, and even position-to-position. If ISU (or UI) is down, one player might be more inclined to end up there, knowing that he'd have more opportunity to play and have a shot to play in the Big XII or Big Ten (which is which these days?). Another player might rather play for a top-5 FCS UNI team instead of a 9th-or-10th place Big 10/12 team.

That's my take on the current situation and conference affiliations. If ISU moves to the MWC or MAC, the same type of arguments could apply. A kid might rather play for a chance at a FCS championship at UNI than for a Papa John's bowl win at mid-major ISU.

No, actually what will happen is that Iowa State (since they will be the ones moving down first) will have to target a completely different player...One that currently goes to UNI without thinking because they are considered too small or slow to play in the Big 10/11 or what was the Big 12.

This now puts Iowa State in more direct competition for players with us than ever before.

I would think that we would still get our share, but we will lose out on some damn good kids because of this...

Plus the economic impact of this will be felt....Also remember what Branstad and Pomerantz did to UNI and Iowa State before, and here he comes again....

Remember Pomerantz advocated the same system that Wisonsin employs, we will become the University of Iowa at Cedar Falls....

[TH1974]

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Great...I was hoping to hear more Marvin Pomerantz discussion.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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I never thought this would happen, but is it realistic that if the MWC spurns Iowa State (which it seems as though they are, as I haven't seen anything pointing to the MWC's interest in ISU...not sure why besides geography). And, let's say Kansas State and ISU are the only ones left (or ISU only). Could it be that ISU hooks up with C-USA for football, but b/c the conference is too spread out, it's a mutual agreement for ISU to join the MVC for all other sports? Can you imagine East Carolina or Marshall wanting to play ISU in tennis or swimming? It just wouldn't be cost effective for that to be the case. That would be interesting.... Add Iowa State and SLU, and the MVC becomes even tougher basketball wise. Doubt it would happen though.

[cydave]

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You posted information which was incorrect. Your post stated Villanova and Georgetown do not have football teams. That's incorrect. I had a little fun with it regarding FCS football teams and you went ballistic.

The information I posted was from another source, I just copied and pasted it. I then followed up, from another poster on here (not you), and said the source meant BCS football teams. You then made it a point to correct me, again, just to point out that those 2 teams have football, which was already achieved a few posts prior.
I never went ballistic, I was just confused on one of your posts about me not caring about facts.??..???

Anyways, back to the topic...

[Newsbreaker]

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WHO WROTE THE TV REVENUE CHECKS TO THE BIG 10/11 SCHOOLS???

The Big Ten Network wrote the checks to the Big Ten Conference, who in turn wrote them to the league.

The fact that you think this question uncovers some inescapable truth that makes it clear to all sentient minds that Fox was and is the actual driving force behind league expansion is, at best, comedic.

Now, about those many links you have been unable to provide...

[UNI Panthers 2010]

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There have been a lot of talks about Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri moving the the MWC. If this were to happen, could the hype of them pairing UNI and Kansas in the MVC-MWC challenge in a rematch of last season help us at all financially and to get our name out there even more? I know that they choose the pairings based on results from 2 seasons ago, but that would just seem like too good of an opportunity to pass up.

[jegbomb52]

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What would the pros of going to the WAC be? I have been thinking of this and can't really come up with a real positive, that I know of. It seems like there really wouldn't be any financial incentive after all the scholarships and travel we woudl have to fund. Also, I heard that you just need to average 15,000 in attendance at least every other year to be FBS. I think we might have done it a couple years ago, but not sure.

There would be several pros to joining the WAC.

Aside from 3 weeks in March, football drives all of college sports. To say we play at the top level (FBS) would be a huge step.

Members of the WAC conference have been present in a BCS bowl game each of the past 5 seasons.

Boise State made the transition from FCS to the WAC 20 years ago and are now a perrenial top 15 program.

Promising a recruit a semi-annual trip to Hawaii is priceless.

Our asking price for a non-conference game immediately goes from the 350-400K range to 800K to 1,000,000 range, simply because we are FBS. That is how WAC, MAC, and several MWC schools are able to turn a profit even though their actually attendence is under 15,000.

Our attendence would rise by hosting schools like Hawaii, Nevada, rather than Indiana State and Youngstown State.

We would be able to be a part of a conference that has revenue sharing. Lets say Hawaii plays in the Fiesta Bowl again, each WAC school picks up a million dollars.

Going to a basketball conference that we could DOMINATE immediately.

I am sure there are several other pro's.

Cons

Idaho

Going from Valley Basketball to WAC basketball.

Non-Revenue Sport Travel

I am sure there are others.

About the 15,000, I was assured the other day by a member of UNI's coaching staff that number is a non-issue. There are several ways around it like scheduling a game at an NFL stadium, I mentioned that above.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Good breakdown Jeg. The glaring 'con' to me is the non-revenue sport travel. Charter/commercial flights for ALL events. No one is close Louisiana Tech might be the closest school. That's alot of dollars spent on tennis/volleyball/softball, etc...and that doesn't even take into account missed class time b/c of travel. That would really put a kink into the education process (I know, in all of this I'm actually thinking about academic achievement...novel concept).

As for the pro/con of playing Hawaii every other year...I think Hawaii has a clause via the NCAA that allows teams who travel to the islands to gain an extra game each year. So, if you play 12 games in football, you get 13...play 30 games in basketball, get 31.

Otherwise, I think Jeg's breakdown is fairly right on.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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Patty Viverito speaks!

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/281656/

[Newsbreaker]

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There are several ways around it like scheduling a game at an NFL stadium, I mentioned that above.

That's nice and all, except that we don't have an NFL stadium within any reasonable distance of our campus. NIU was given as an example, but they are a short drive from Chicago. We are a long drive from everywhere.

[BCPanther]

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Idaho routinely plays games in Seattle.

We are much closer to Arrowhead and the EJ Dome than they are to Qwest Field.

[UNI83]

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Idaho routinely plays games in Seattle.

We are much closer to Arrowhead and the EJ Dome than they are to Qwest Field.

University of Idaho to Qwest Field - 296 miles

University of Northern Iowa to Edward Jones Dome - 347 miles
University of Northern Iowa to Arrowhead Stadium - 303 miles

Now if you want to talk the Metrodome or Soldier Field I'll buy what you are selling

University of Northern Iowa to HHH Metrodome - 219 miles
University of Northern Iowa to Soldier Field - 281 miles



those according to Google maps

[Kyle]

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We're only 3.5 hours from the Metrodome. I would gladly pay $50-$60 to see UNI play someone like Minny/Wisconsin/Iowa in the Metrodome.

[jegbomb52]

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We're only 3.5 hours from the Metrodome. I would gladly pay $50-$60 to see UNI play someone like Minny/Wisconsin/Iowa in the Metrodome.

If, IF IF IF IF IF, something were to work out that UNI and NDSU or SDSU would jump to a WAC or god forbid even NDSU somehow getting into the Mountain West, it would probably be something to the effect of UNI playing a "home and home" with one of those schools in the Metrodome two years in a row. That way we can both pad our stats for attendence and capacity. It would be one of those deals where we would tell all of the Vikings season ticket holders they get a free ticket, that way regardless of actual attendence it would look as though there were 50,000 tickets sold. This is what MAC schools do with the Lions and Browns.