Next Year

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Ultimately, basketball is a sport about making plays, not running them. ...

Well, it's both, right? The effect of "running plays" means the team as a whole creates a situation where "making a play" is easier. Like Matt Bohannon's motion without the ball and team movement creating opportunity for him to have lay-ups. Now the time window for the lay-up is brief, and he had to catch those passes and make his lay-up very quickly. A lot of people couldn't catch and shoot that fast. But let's face it, without running that play, Matt could not have made those lay-ups against TAM.

Are some athletes good enough that they can make a play without the team running a play? Sure. We're not going to get a lot of those guys, however.

[06panther10]

You're right Stein, even though our program has beaten UNC, Iowa, Iowa State, Wash St, Va Tech, Northwestern, & Texas in the last two years ALONE with a grand total of ONE of those games being at home, that Kansas game probably was a fluke and clearly "not the norm".

[SteinPizza]

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You're right Stein, even though our program has beaten UNC, Iowa, Iowa State, Wash St, Va Tech, Northwestern, & Texas in the last two years ALONE with a grand total of ONE of those games being at home, that Kansas game probably was a fluke and clearly "not the norm".

Give me a frackin' break. How many of those are Sweet 16 qualifying wins, against a team that some regarded as the best college basketball team of the last decade at the time??? And, you're holding up Northwestern, Washington St., etc., as marquis wins? We SHOULD beat teams of that caliber if we're one of the better mid major programs, which we are. Just because it's a P5 win doesn't make it a resume point.

I'm NOT trying to diminish the program's accomplishments. I'm proud of them. I'm just trying for some perspective, in the sense that every time one of us thinks we need a talent upgrade at certain spots, someone throws out a great win from six years ago to counter it. We all want the program to grow. I'm just trying to counter what I see as some thinking we're already there. I guarantee you the coaches don't think we're "there" yet.

[run&blade]

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Jake is a "his and yours" coach. He all beat you with his players and if you switched rosters and game him a couple weeks he could beat his players with the other teams roster.

Very rare to have a coach that can do that. Only thing hold back Uni is talent and getting super high end talent (the kind that puts you over the top) is probably next to impossible by traditional methods. That is why transfer and JUCOs are so important.

The Kansas game was no fluke but I doubt Uni would have beat them a second time. Bill Self was an arrogant ass and basically said " we are Kansas, run our game and we win". He didn't adjust to what Uni did well or couldn't do well. If he had he would have pressed earlier. Uni was bad that ha stains the press. The old dominion game as one prime example.

That doesn't take anything away from Uni at all. Best coach won the game.

I actually think the Texas win was up there with the Kansas game because Smart knew UNI and wasn't going to assume anything. Uni beat them without the benefit of surprise.

If Uni can get a little longer and quicker they could make a deep run, as in three wins.

Morgan and Carlson ( very Tuttle like the past two weeks) are the center pieces for next year. The unknown and much needed is the replacement of the speed athleticism and "X" factor Washpun brought to the table. He kept the other team off balance because everybody had one eye on him at all times. It isn't enough to just be crafty or get to the rim a couple times a game by suprise. You need a guy that can do it when everybody in the fricking gym knows you are going to do it.

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The 09-10 Panther team was incredibly balanced and deep. There is no doubt about that. A tremendous season, and that game was no fluke. Kansas may have been the best team in the season, but I'd say UNI wins at least 3/10. The next game vs final four MSU went toe to toe. Koch/Egelseder were a force down low. Moran hit a few clutch shots. Ali obviously, but he was really struggling in the 2nd half before that shot. Many argue Kwadzo was our best player, and he had an awful game.

[OhNewby]

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Is Morgan the likely choice for preseason MVC POY? I'm trying to think who else might be a candidate?

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The 09-10 Panther team was incredibly balanced and deep. There is no doubt about that. A tremendous season, and that game was no fluke. Kansas may have been the best team in the season, but I'd say UNI wins at least 3/10. The next game vs final four MSU went toe to toe. Koch/Egelseder were a force down low. Moran hit a few clutch shots. Ali obviously, but he was really struggling in the 2nd half before that shot. Many argue Kwadzo was our best player, and he had an awful game.

The thing that changed that entire game was the phantom/weak calls on Adam that took him out with foul issues.

[06panther10]

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Give me a frackin' break. How many of those are Sweet 16 qualifying wins, against a team that some regarded as the best college basketball team of the last decade at the time??? And, you're holding up Northwestern, Washington St., etc., as marquis wins? We SHOULD beat teams of that caliber if we're one of the better mid major programs, which we are. Just because it's a P5 win doesn't make it a resume point.

I'm NOT trying to diminish the program's accomplishments. I'm proud of them. I'm just trying for some perspective, in the sense that every time one of us thinks we need a talent upgrade at certain spots, someone throws out a great win from six years ago to counter it. We all want the program to grow. I'm just trying to counter what I see as some thinking we're already there. I guarantee you the coaches don't think we're "there" yet.

Really, Stein? Because it really seems like you often are. I really don't even know what point you are trying to make any more, it sure seems like you just enjoy tearing things down at every turn.

Maybe its you who needs the perspective. UNI is routinely out-performing schools and programs with budgets roughly 5-10 times the size of ours. Maybe the fact that many of those P5 schools mentioned have struggled so much to win despite virtually endless resources should clue you into just how impossibly difficult it is to win PERIOD, let alone at at school like UNI.

[BCPanther]

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Is Morgan the likely choice for preseason MVC POY? I'm trying to think who else might be a candidate?

It'll either be Morgan or McDuffie. My guess is Morgan gets it because he's a senior.

[achrist70]

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Possibly Brenton Scott also

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Really, Stein? Because it really seems like you often are. I really don't even know what point you are trying to make any more, it sure seems like you just enjoy tearing things down at every turn.

Maybe its you who needs the perspective. UNI is routinely out-performing schools and programs with budgets roughly 5-10 times the size of ours. Maybe the fact that many of those P5 schools mentioned have struggled so much to win despite virtually endless resources should clue you into just how impossibly difficult it is to win PERIOD, let alone at at school like UNI.

UNI has a basketball budget of 2.3m
Texas AND A&M have a budget of about 7m


Per Mark Adam's twitter
Round of 32 teams budgets from non P5 schools
1VCU $5.4M
2Wich St $5.1M
3St J $4M
4MTSU $2.6M
5Hawaii $2.6M
6UNI $2.3M
7UALR $1.65M
8SFA $1M
9Yale $840K


Teams in the S16
1.Duke $14.2M
2.Cuse $13.8M
3.IU $10.9M
4.Oklla $9.95M
5.KU $8.5M
6.UVA $7.6M
7.Wis $7.6M
8.Nova $7.3M
9. UNC $7.3M
10.TX A&M $7M
11.Or $6.8M
12.MD $6.8M
13.Gon $6.1M
14.Iowa St $6.1M
15.Miami $5.8M
16.ND $5.4M


To have a budget where UNI does and routine compete/beat B10/P12/B12 schools who have resources that UNI couldn't dream about having is pretty damn crazy to think about.

Stein is odd to get a read on. He wants so badly to make everything about UNI into a negative while trying to sound like a positive fan. At least R&B or mudra don't act like they are trying to be positive when they aren't. Hell, R&B is actually more positive than stein in another thread

[95UNIGRAD]

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UNI is routinely out-performing schools and programs with budgets roughly 5-10 times the size of ours. Maybe the fact that many of those P5 schools mentioned have struggled so much to win despite virtually endless resources should clue you into just how impossibly difficult it is to win PERIOD, let alone at at school like UNI.

This is really the main point. I suspect there couldn't have been much of an argument if you had said this in the first place. Although the numbers you're using are a little exaggerated.

[Panther100]

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I wouldn't worry about Kansas or being a 9 seed. I'd worry about what it will take to win another conference title and get to the dance first. Then deal with whatever team they play at that time. How do you know Kansas will be in the Dance? If they are, do you think they'll be an 8 seed? What is really your question?

Zakelsta is spot on. Bennett could become a really good true post player. He doesn't need to shoot the 3. He should lift and study film so he can see it is okay to pass the ball back out to the perimeter. Unfortunately this year, if he got it inside he was shooting it or turning it over. He needs to be more decisive with the ball. Get it and make a quick move or draw a double and find the open man.

I'd say we'll wind up 24-11 with a first round loss in the NIT. The point was our coaches have to make our 2 star guys play like 3 stars and the few 3 star guys to play like 4 stars. Guess what? That takes work... Bennett would further open the lane for McCloud to drive to the rim when he becomes an outside shooter...

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This is really the main point. I suspect there couldn't have been much of an argument if you had said this in the first place. Although the numbers you're using are a little exaggerated.

UNI's total athletic budget is 16-18 million in expenses depending on the year

Most recent data for top schools expenses?

Texas 154m
Michigan 142m
Auburn 126m
Wisconsin 125m
LSU 122m
Alabama 120m
Penn State 117m
Ohio State 113m
Oklahoma 113m
Oregon 110m
Florida 109m
Okie State 109m
Michigan State 107m
Minnesota 106m
Tennessee 106m
Iowa 102m

That's the top 15. They are all, minimum, 6.25 times UNI's budget.

[GonzoCat]

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I don't know how much difference a lot bigger budget makes. Most of it goes to support additional sports UNI does not have. The next $10-15 million goes to additional football scholarships and coaches salaries. $1-3 millions goes to the AD and basketball coaches salaries. We have the same number of basketball scholarships as the richest schools. Some, not all, P5 schools have nicer basketball facilities, but we have pretty nice facilities at UNI. The point is overall budget doesn't mean much, it's mens basketball budgets that should be compared. Some schools spend $3 million more on their coach and don't have one as good as ours. Maybe the biggest difference is the recruiting budget which could hamper UNI, but we don't seem to get much interest from athletes around the country, so the lack of a jet to fly around to far flung states is probably not huge. I started a thread before asking what it is going to take to attract the higher level athletes to UNI and why our success to date hasn't seemed to. I think all we can do is keep winning, keep getting lots of good press nationally, which we did again this year, and hopefully we see a gradually uptick in overall talent level. I'm not knocking the guys we have and have had, but I was watching the last VCU game and kept thinking if we could get a recruit like Alie-Cox just once it would be a game changer. Assuming he was willing to put in the work required to play in UNI's system, that's always the other question.

Of course we aren't able to entice recruits with drugs and hookers like Louisville and no doubt some other big money schools, but I think that comes out of the black bag budget, not the official budget.