Next Year

[SteinPizza]

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Yup agree, how can these schools be so bad, with the loads of talent they have around them? I realize Bradley is breaking in a new coach and I think what all 10 scholly players from last years team left? So they are going to go through their struggles. SIU & Ill St need to get some better players.

But it also goes into the non-conf scheduling. These teams need to go out and play some good teams. Can't be scheduling the RPI 300+ teams all the time. Need to beat some good teams in the non-conf. I remember a while back when Bradley made the sweet 16. Those teams were awesome and Arch Madness was crazy. Like to get back to those days.

Bradley has some money in the alumni base too. Their new coach, and recently loosing players, isn't the story here. They've been crap for the 10(?) years since their Sweet 16 run. They have some built in advantages that others don't, and a Sweet 16 is something you should build from. Inexcusible.

It could be that their adminstration places some of the same unrealistic academic thresholds as those at Drake, a similar school. Drake's President and AD can't be serious about winning, because they have ridiculously high academic standards that seriously hurt their recruiting. It's nice that 90% of their team carries a 3.0 or above, that their best player is on track to get a doctorate in pharmacy, etc. But, you can't be that picky and expect to attract the talent needed to be good. And, despite what some of you think, Drake is a good school.

[Panther100]

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If you've been following this board long, then I assume you threw this out to generate some pointed responses . Mine won't be one of those, because there is some some logic to some of your points.

The lack of bids, and bottom half teams being a real drag on the upper league teams is one of the reasons WSU is talking about leaving. In that respect they're right. It would also potentially improve the level of recruit by opening up some higher populated geography.

Where your argument falls apart are the travel costs for all non-revenue sports. Also, some here won't like it because they over-emphasize the importance of FCS football in all of this. Hence the "bring the Dakota schools into the MVC" talk. That misses what's most important, IMO. Also, who says the A10 wants us? We're a strong men's BB team, sure, but they may dislike the increased travel for an outlier school as much as we do.

Bottom line, I think the bottom level MVC schools needs to get their $&/@ together and improve their programs, particularly those with some lineage and close proximity to talent. There's no excuse for Bradley to bad as bad as they've been. SIU is showing signs of life, but should be consistently better than they
are. Loyola is showing signs too, but they're behind SIU. It's probably an easier fix for those teams to improve than it is for UNI to start conference shopping.

Another option I'm okay with is to move everything except football/wrestling into the Big East Conference. Football would be downgraded to Non Scholarship Division I (Pioneer League) and wrestling would remain the same in the MAC Conference. We would drop FCOA/scholarships in Football and keep it in MBB and all the Women's sports. Wrestling would continue with scholarships and no FCOA. I would be against an affiliation with the Catholic Church. We would continue to be a State School. This would solve the problem with high financial cost/FCOA associated in FBS Football.

[BCPanther]

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Another option I'm okay with is to move everything except football/wrestling into the Big East Conference. Football would be downgraded to Non Scholarship Division I (Pioneer League) and wrestling would remain the same in the MAC Conference. We would drop FCOA/scholarships in Football and keep it in MBB and all the Women's sports. I would be against an affiliation with the Catholic Church. We would continue to be a State School. This would solve the high financial cost/FCOA associated with FBS Football.

Non Scholarship football is every bit as expensive as scholarship football due to the coast to coast travel of the Pioneer League.

Also, LOL at getting into the Big East. We fit right into a 10 private school league, 9 of them Jesuit.

[Panther100]

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Non Scholarship football is every bit as expensive as scholarship football due to the coast to coast travel of the Pioneer League.

Also, LOL at getting into the Big East. We fit right into a 10 private school league, 9 of them Jesuit.

Well, we can't expect to have everything perfect. You would need to get used to a margin of error of 8/11 losses to make the Dance/NIT out of the MVC. This is with that non Division I BB Game you love so much. We could drop football and keep the UNIDOME for Track & Field plus other events such as concerts/truck pulls/HS FB etc.

[panther-state]

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As an educator, I like that Drake sticks to its guns and actually makes students live up to the "student-athlete" portion of their commitment. If they want to make their athlete's live up to the same standards as any other student then good for them.

Do I wish they could actually find a happy medium of high academic success and success on the court? Absolutely, the MVC needs as many competitive teams as possible. But I'd rather Drake keep being Drake than have another Illinois St or SIU where we're basically doing an MVC version of "Whose's Line is it Anyways"

[Panther100]

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Non Scholarship football is every bit as expensive as scholarship football due to the coast to coast travel of the Pioneer League.

Also, LOL at getting into the Big East. We fit right into a 10 private school league, 9 of them Jesuit.

Okay, the best option would be to drop football, keep Wrestling in the MAC, and move everything else into the Atlantic 10 Conference. We would retain FCOA in MBB and all the Women's sports. This would improve our revenue from the Dance appearances and drop the overall costs down.

[claw]

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Okay, the best option would be to drop football, keep Wrestling in the MAC, and move everything else into the Atlantic 10 Conference. We would retain FCOA in MBB and all the Women's sports. This would improve our revenue from the Dance appearances and drop the overall costs down.

Drop football and you may as well drop to D3

[Panther100]

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Drop football and you may as well drop to D3

Why must we always be a stick in the Mud? Okay, keep football in the MVC and retain FCOA. Retain Wrestling in the MAC and move everything else to the A10.

[claw]

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Why must we always be a stick in the Mud? Okay, keep football in the MVC.

MVC doesn't have football

[unipanther2154]

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Actually, the best option would be to drop out of the mvc. We get Duke, UNC, Oregon, Oklahoma, Iowa state, ucla, Villanova, Michigan state, Indiana, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida to join a MEGA conference. That way first and most important we satisfy p100 so he can stfu and go away. Second the tv deal would be worth like 10.5 billion dollars and we could buy a private island to have our own pre-season tourney at. Lastly this is the dumbest post I've ever had but wanted to see how fun it is since p100 does this same thing around 17 times a day.


Almost forgot....we now could literally recruit the entire country in this conference! Hello 10 star recruits!!!!

[Panther100]

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Actually, the best option would be to drop out of the mvc. We get Duke, UNC, Oregon, Oklahoma, Iowa state, ucla, Villanova, Michigan state, Indiana, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida to join a MEGA conference. That way first and most important we satisfy p100 so he can stfu and go away. Second the tv deal would be worth like 10.5 billion dollars and we could buy a private island to have our own pre-season tourney at. Lastly this is the dumbest post I've ever had but wanted to see how fun it is since p100 does this same thing around 17 times a day.


Almost forgot....we now could literally recruit the entire country in this conference! Hello 10 star recruits!!!!

Alright!!!! Way to go!!!!!!!!!!! You forgot we would construct a 50,000+ new Football stadium!!!!!

[panther-state]

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I don't like that I can see 100's posts in the quotes but I do have to agree with anyone who says the MVC needs to step up its game as a whole. However, I think any talk about leaving the conference, especially if it requires football to make drastic changes, is naive and short-sighted. No matter how "long-term" you think it is, it isn't.

The MVFC especially, is the best situation UNI could possibly hope for, sans a non-existent P5 invite, from both a competitive and financial standpoint. Closest possible travel partners and miles away the best FCS conference (even better than a number of G5 conferences).

Edit: I also do not agree with any idea at a conference move to reach a new recruiting niche. I understand that we might gain more "exposure" if we moved conferences, but the more recruiting Jake and Co. have to do in new areas, the less effective they are overall unless they cut current areas of emphasis. We get some damn good kids from the tri-state area of IA, MN and WI. Deon and Brown are anomalies from Texas but Jake has his spot, hits it hard and hits it well. We aren't convincing many kids out east or west to come to Cedar Falls, Iowa regardless of conference affiliation. If they aren't interested now, a new conference doesn't suddenly change that.

[unipanther2154]

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Gonzaga built a power in a crap conference. We have no where else to possibly go. We're in the mvc for the long haul.

[Panther100]

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Gonzaga built a power in a crap conference. We have no where else to possibly go. We're in the mvc for the long haul.

Then get used to very little margin for error to make the Dance/NIT...

[panther-state]

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Actually, the best option would be to drop out of the mvc. We get Duke, UNC, Oregon, Oklahoma, Iowa state, ucla, Villanova, Michigan state, Indiana, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida to join a MEGA conference. That way first and most important we satisfy p100 so he can stfu and go away. Second the tv deal would be worth like 10.5 billion dollars and we could buy a private island to have our own pre-season tourney at. Lastly this is the dumbest post I've ever had but wanted to see how fun it is since p100 does this same thing around 17 times a day.


Almost forgot....we now could literally recruit the entire country in this conference! Hello 10 star recruits!!!!

Awesome