How do we get rid of Jake?

[run&blade]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Can we not turn into one of those fan bases that doesn't come to games because they don't like the coach? Let's be a fan base that comes to games because they like to cheer on their team.

I take my family to games because it is entertaining and fun. I will not take them to watch crap because it is my duty as a UNI alumni. If they played an exciting style then I would go to more games but I am not going to drag my wife and kids to the McLeod center to watch paint dry. When it finishes drying nobody will like the color because it is an 'L'.

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Can we not turn into one of those fan bases that doesn't come to games because they don't like the coach? Let's be a fan base that comes to games because they like to cheer on their team.

I like the coach. I just do not like the way he coaches or the way the team plays. It is nothing personal against Jake. He seems like a truly outstanding person.

This is entertainment and who wants to spend money to see us get beat by a last place team.

I mean seriously very few people want to pay money, drive in, brave the cold and snow to see the panthers pass it around the perimeter and heave a three at the last second.

Do not blame the fans for not wanting to see this lackluster type of basketball. If UNI wants people to come to the games then give them a product worth seeing.

[Purple Reign]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

First of all, I never said it was your "duty" to go to games. I said I didn't want us to "hate the coach". I can't stand that type of fan base. It means you'll never be satisfied, because every coach loses games.

Also, yesterday's final 30 minutes (minus the outcome) were VERY exciting. If you didn't find that exciting (minus the outcome) I don't know what you're looking for. UNI scored 41 second-half points. That's pretty exciting.

The first post on this thread that makes any sense.

PR

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The first post on this thread that makes any sense.

PR

you don't think my post makes sense?

listen it is not just one game that leads to the fans frustration. It is a pattern over three painful seasons of anemic play.

I remember back in the late 80s we played Georgetown. We played them close in the first half before getting blown away. At the time this was considered a good game because we were in it for a half.

Times have changed. No longer are we excited to be in it for a half. We hope and pray to be in it to win for the whole game. The program had grown so much that when we played Georgetown again in the NCAA we had a realistic shot at winning even in the second half.

Only losing teams and bad programs get excited about one half of basketball. Should we not be over these growing pains by now and be able to field a team that can play 2 halves of basketball.

I say hire the SDSU coach for next season.

As a fan I do not want to return to the 80s and 90s.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

This style of basketball is very frustrating to watch, and to lose to that team is an embarrassment. Their personnel was awful besides tunnel. Things that are frustrating to me and i will assume others when watching these games...

subbing- can we let the players get into a rhythm and play more than 3-6 min at a time? You dont have to empty your bench and play everyone right?

offense- does jake know that there are set plays that you can run against a zone? All ive seen this year is passing around the perimeter and forced shots with 1-6 seconds on the Shot clock. he finally drew up a high pick today to get someone in the lane, finally. Its basic knowledge that if you are going to throw it around the perimeter teach your players to be a threat. We catch the ball 3-5 feet outside the 3 pt line? no one needs to guard us out there, cmon. Inbounds plays? Has jake heard of them? I know that throwing a lob to midcourt is crazy effective, but i know there are plays that CAN be designed to score off inbounds passes.

Defense- why would we stay in a zone when a team is lighting up the scoreboard, any coach in their right mind comes out of the zone today after 10 mins gone by. Can we box out, numerous times i saw our guards watching at the top of the key, WHAT GOES ON AT PRACTICE? IS THERE ANY TEACHING? or can they just not understand it because jake is clapping too loud? This is a team that has not had basic concepts drilled into their head and that is a coaches fault.

ANYONE ELSE AGREE????????????/

Pure idiocy.

Name a point in yesterday's game where Jake pulled someone who was in a "positive" rhythm. Yes, he was subbing regularly in the first half to try and find somebody who seemed to want to play, but in the second half he found a group of 5 that were laying it out there and stuck with them. He was forced to pull Lucas a couple of times because he was seriously sucking wind, but he went back in as soon as he was able to. The 4 guards stayed in the whole way or until they had fouled out.

Second, the offense only works as well as it is executed by the players. The first half the players looked completely out of it. How much of that is the coaches fault and how much of that is the players' to get themselves mentally ready to go. It really looked as if the players just expected ISU to roll over. Coaches can talk and give as many speeches as they want, but the players are the ones who have to go out and actually do it. What the coach can do, then, is to find the players who are getting it done. Jake did that yesterday, only the hole was too deep ultimately.

Third, Defense. What game were you watching? We played zone for a handful of possessions in the first half, the rest was man to man. It may have looked like a zone because we switch all the screens up top, but it was the same man we always play. Well, maybe not the same as we were woefully lackadaisical in our effort in the first half. I liked the change to a press and hope we see more of it as it turned up some of the effort along with the personnel we had on the floor.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I like the coach. I just do not like the way he coaches or the way the team plays. It is nothing personal against Jake. He seems like a truly outstanding person.

This is entertainment and who wants to spend money to see us get beat by a last place team.

I mean seriously very few people want to pay money, drive in, brave the cold and snow to see the panthers pass it around the perimeter and heave a three at the last second.

Do not blame the fans for not wanting to see this lackluster type of basketball. If UNI wants people to come to the games then give them a product worth seeing.

UNI tried the "exciting" "fast-paced" style of basketball. It was implemented under Sam Weaver and was an utter failure.

The style of basketball UNI has been successful with is the slow down, defense-first mentality. It was what made Eldon Miller's team successful, it is what McDermott brought back. We don't generally find a lot of high riser/flashy players in our recruiting area. We get the blue-collar Jason Reese, David Gruber, Grant Stout type players. Even the guards aren't typically flashy, Troy Muilenberg, Cam Johnson, Tony Brus, Brooks McKowen, etc. Ben Jacobsen was a unique player for us and one we don't typically get.

Sorry, if that is not "exciting" enough to fill the seats. I'll take the fans that want to support the team first-there the ones that will have the most energy. The fans that only want to show up when we're "winning" really are only there to be 'seen' because it makes a social statement and are generally not all that into the game itself. As 2317 said, yesterday the final 30 minutes were exciting and the fans in the arena were into it.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

In Jacobson's first season we went from 3 straight seasons with 20+ wins to 18. In his second season we had 17 (in the eyes of the NCAA tournament selection committee). Any less than that this year, and it's time to seriously question his future at our university.

If you are going to throw out statistics, at least be consistent.

We played and beat Wartburg in each of the last two seasons, meaning "in the eyes of the NCAA tournament selection committee" we only had 17 wins each of those years. We also had non-counter wins as well in each of the 20+ win seasons, 2 in the "23-win" season. Of course, when looking at overall records and statistics, those games count just as much as a win over LSU or Iowa or Iowa State.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The problem is, much of the fan base and all the momentum obtained from those three NCAA tournament trips is about gone. With an athletic program struggling financially, how long can Dannen tolerate that?

This is the main issue. We're going to have 500 people a game next year at this rate.

[re17282]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

We hope Auburn is looking for a basketball coach at the end of the year

[run&blade]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

My GOD THEY LOST TO FRICKING INDIANA ST. IN THE CONFERENCE OPENER AT HOME. They are what they are, a bottom feeding valley team.

Looking at that empty McLeod center on TV is horrible, but I understand. I am not going to load up the family and drive to Cedar Falls to watch the product on the court. Obviously my thoughts are shared by thousands in the Cedar Valley area.

If UNI football played like that for 3 years I would become a FORMER season ticket holder for them. If the entertainment factor isn't there then what exactly am I paying for?

[run&blade]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Do you think in these economic times that UNI can afford to pay two coaches at the same time? You need to get behind this coach, because he's here for the duration of the contract. If (at that time) the administration chooses to go another way...that's what they get paid to make decisions about.

No one likes losing...but the coaches and players feel the hurt of this loss much more than you'll ever know. Not sure what excites you about the SDSU coach (other than he's not Jake in your eyes). Wishing for a new coach has become a national past time in sports.

Let him coach his contract then, I don't care. I didn't even know UNI was playing yesterday until I saw the replay on Mediacom. They are so bad few even follow them close enough to know a game was coming up.

Do I think people will come back if they get a new coach? NO I don't. They will only come back with UNI starts winning. The AD will have to decide the best way to start winning because that is all that matters. It isn't hip or cool or even cheap to go to UNI games anymore, the only reason people will come is for entertainment.

[Purple Reign]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

UNI tried the "exciting" "fast-paced" style of basketball. It was implemented under Sam Weaver and was an utter failure.

The style of basketball UNI has been successful with is the slow down, defense-first mentality. It was what made Eldon Miller's team successful, it is what McDermott brought back. We don't generally find a lot of high riser/flashy players in our recruiting area. We get the blue-collar Jason Reese, David Gruber, Grant Stout type players. Even the guards aren't typically flashy, Troy Muilenberg, Cam Johnson, Tony Brus, Brooks McKowen, etc. Ben Jacobsen was a unique player for us and one we don't typically get.

Sorry, if that is not "exciting" enough to fill the seats. I'll take the fans that want to support the team first-there the ones that will have the most energy. The fans that only want to show up when we're "winning" really are only there to be 'seen' because it makes a social statement and are generally not all that into the game itself. As 2317 said, yesterday the final 30 minutes were exciting and the fans in the arena were into it.

Advantage "Kahn."

PR

[Purple Reign]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

My GOD THEY LOST TO FRICKING INDIANA ST. IN THE CONFERENCE OPENER AT HOME. They are what they are, a bottom feeding valley team.

Looking at that empty McLeod center on TV is horrible, but I understand. I am not going to load up the family and drive to Cedar Falls to watch the product on the court. Obviously my thoughts are shared by thousands in the Cedar Valley area.

If UNI football played like that for 3 years I would become a FORMER season ticket holder for them. If the entertainment factor isn't there then what exactly am I paying for?

I wish more people understood that it is when a team needs a lift that the fans can play a key role. Those who attended Sundays game were awesome. Frustrated in the first half, but VERY supportive in the 2nd and 2 OT's. They made a difference. However, getting behind a team is not a game by game proposition IMO. I don't care if it's basketball, football, or smerfball---fan participation matters. On the other hand, some decide to take the "I paid $$$$$$$$ for these tickets----damn it----entertain me" approach. I guess it all depends on your motivation. I see many of the same faces at each and every game and they have been there for years. They are there for the long haul. They get frustrated with the losses too. But they are there, cheering on their Panthers and trying their level best to support the team. Good for them. And when the team turns the corner and makes the big dance----those hard core fans will take some pride in the teams accomplishments knowing that as fans they did their part. Others will not only complain but they will take their $$$ elsewhere. That's O.K. too. But I suggest that those hardcore fans could not possibly care less about those who decide to walk. They know they'll be back when the "entertainment value" is high enough. It is what it is. I prefer the long haul approach, even when that haul gets pretty heavy.


PR

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Also, yesterday's final 30 minutes (minus the outcome) were VERY exciting. If you didn't find that exciting (minus the outcome) I don't know what you're looking for. UNI scored 41 second-half points. That's pretty exciting.

Exciting, sure. But don't forget, we're talking about Indiana State. At home. Nothing to be excited about and A LOT to be disappointed about.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

If you are going to throw out statistics, at least be consistent.

We played and beat Wartburg in each of the last two seasons, meaning "in the eyes of the NCAA tournament selection committee" we only had 17 wins each of those years. We also had non-counter wins as well in each of the 20+ win seasons, 2 in the "23-win" season. Of course, when looking at overall records and statistics, those games count just as much as a win over LSU or Iowa or Iowa State.

Sorry, you're right. It's hard for me to count a win over Wartburg or Upper Iowa as a "win" when the NCAA selection committee won't. But you're right, statistics count.

However, it doesn't change the fact that, Jacobson's first two seasons were a step back from what the Panther men's basketball team accomplished in McDermott's final three seasons. We're moving backwards, and fast.