How do we get rid of Jake?

[TravelingPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Where do we start the "How do we get rid of band wagon fans who only support a winning team" thread?

[northwest iowa panther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I wish more people understood that it is when a team needs a lift that the fans can play a key role. Those who attended Sundays game were awesome. Frustrated in the first half, but VERY supportive in the 2nd and 2 OT's. They made a difference. However, getting behind a team is not a game by game proposition IMO. I don't care if it's basketball, football, or smerfball---fan participation matters. On the other hand, some decide to take the "I paid $$$$$$$$ for these tickets----damn it----entertain me" approach. I guess it all depends on your motivation. I see many of the same faces at each and every game and they have been there for years. They are there for the long haul. They get frustrated with the losses too. But they are there, cheering on their Panthers and trying their level best to support the team. Good for them. And when the team turns the corner and makes the big dance----those hard core fans will take some pride in the teams accomplishments knowing that as fans they did their part. Others will not only complain but they will take their $$$ elsewhere. That's O.K. too. But I suggest that those hardcore fans could not possibly care less about those who decide to walk. They know they'll be back when the "entertainment value" is high enough. It is what it is. I prefer the long haul approach, even when that haul gets pretty heavy.


PR

I totally agree with you PR. Many of the biggest complainers and those willing to jump ship have little invested. Their craving to be "entertained" goes back to their childhood--they put it in their mouth, if it doesn't taste good, then they're on to the next thing. Pretty soon it's all sweets and no vegatables for them. If Duke University had succumbed to the minority of complainers, Coach K would never had made it to his third year.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I totally agree with you PR. Many of the biggest complainers and those willing to jump ship have little invested. Their craving to be "entertained" goes back to their childhood--they put it in their mouth, if it doesn't taste good, then they're on to the next thing. Pretty soon it's all sweets and no vegatables for them. If Duke University had succumbed to the minority of complainers, Coach K would never had made it to his third year.

Are you somewhere in there comparing Jacobson and Coach K at Duke?

[run&blade]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

If UNI had given Weaver a lifetime contract then UNI would never have hired Mac.

I am all for Jake finishing out his contract, I doubt UNI has much money and it is UNI so there will be no outrage across the state.

I am holding out hope UNI gets Mac back in a couple of years.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Where do we start the "How do we get rid of band wagon fans who only support a winning team" thread?

I am by no means, a "bandwagon fan who only supports a winning team". It's perfectly acceptable for fans to be angry and disappointed with what Jacobson has accomplished thus far. He has shown nothing.

Jacobson gets paid a heck of a lot more money than I do, and I pay a nice price each year for tickets to watch and support this University. I'll still attend regardless, but just because I, or anyone else, complains about Jacobson doesn't make us "bandwagoners".

If we had no talent, and Jacobson was doing what he could to keep our head above water, that'd be one thing. But Jacobson was left with plenty of talent and has plenty of talent on his current team. If we as a basketball team, continually underperform, fans have a right to voice their displeasure in the coach.

I'm willing to give him 4 years to show us something. If we don't show signs of life soon, and if next year is more of the same, we better show him the door.

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

UNI tried the "exciting" "fast-paced" style of basketball. It was implemented under Sam Weaver and was an utter failure.

The style of basketball UNI has been successful with is the slow down, defense-first mentality. It was what made Eldon Miller's team successful, it is what McDermott brought back. We don't generally find a lot of high riser/flashy players in our recruiting area. We get the blue-collar Jason Reese, David Gruber, Grant Stout type players. Even the guards aren't typically flashy, Troy Muilenberg, Cam Johnson, Tony Brus, Brooks McKowen, etc. Ben Jacobsen was a unique player for us and one we don't typically get.

Sorry, if that is not "exciting" enough to fill the seats. I'll take the fans that want to support the team first-there the ones that will have the most energy. The fans that only want to show up when we're "winning" really are only there to be 'seen' because it makes a social statement and are generally not all that into the game itself. As 2317 said, yesterday the final 30 minutes were exciting and the fans in the arena were into it.

Sorry but you are quoting me incorrectly. I never said we need to be fast paced to be exciting. I thought that Macs teams were exciting. Fast paced no... exciting yes. I like to see guys kill on defense. I actually have enjoyed watching southern Illinois smothering defense the last few years.

Exciting is when we play some back door traps, or penetrate to the basket, or play intensive defense.

Not exciting is when we leave the other team open every time for a three. Not exciting is when we pass around the perimeter not even near the three Point line but 3 or 4 feet back from the line and as time wains throw up and miss a three. The second half of the ISU game was exciting. But how pitiful has UNI basketball become when we have to hang our hats on one half of bball in a game we lost.

come on

advantage khan my arse.

(honestly I am having this debate in good spirits. I enjoy the back and forth of the board to keep me busy at work on an otherwise slow holiday week.)
go panthers

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I am by no means, a "bandwagon fan who only supports a winning team". It's perfectly acceptable for fans to be angry and disappointed with what Jacobson has accomplished thus far. He has shown nothing.

Jacobson gets paid a heck of a lot more money than I do, and I pay a nice price each year for tickets to watch and support this University. I'll still attend regardless, but just because I, or anyone else, complains about Jacobson doesn't make us "bandwagoners".

If we had no talent, and Jacobson was doing what he could to keep our head above water, that'd be one thing. But Jacobson was left with plenty of talent and has plenty of talent on his current team. If we as a basketball team, continually underperform, fans have a right to voice their displeasure in the coach.

I'm willing to give him 4 years to show us something. If we don't show signs of life soon, and if next year is more of the same, we better show him the door.

so true

[TravelingPanther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I am by no means, a "bandwagon fan who only supports a winning team". It's perfectly acceptable for fans to be angry and disappointed with what Jacobson has accomplished thus far. He has shown nothing.

Jacobson gets paid a heck of a lot more money than I do, and I pay a nice price each year for tickets to watch and support this University. I'll still attend regardless, but just because I, or anyone else, complains about Jacobson doesn't make us "bandwagoners".

I don't recall calling you out, and from the looks of your post you still have tickets and attend. Doesn't apply to you.

Where did I say I have no complaints about coach?

[northwest iowa panther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Are you somewhere in there comparing Jacobson and Coach K at Duke?

I can't use that as an example? I'm sorry! I'm sorry!
Just trying to point out someone everyone knows. But hey! I'll never do it again in this thread!

[Waverly_Panther]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I'm willing to give him 4 years to show us something. If we don't show signs of life soon, and if next year is more of the same, we better show him the door.

If you are willing to allow him 4 years to show us something, why are you so vocal about it this year? Many of the posters are saying this same thing, but sound like they can't wait to see him gone. I'm with you on this same point - a coach should be given around 4 years to prove his ability, or be shown the door. I'd even say if we have a complete meltdown this year, and there are no major injuries, then three years was enough. But I'm staying fairly silent on this until the end of the year.

[williebat]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

If you are willing to allow him 4 years to show us something, why are you so vocal about it this year? Many of the posters are saying this same thing, but sound like they can't wait to see him gone. I'm with you on this same point - a coach should be given around 4 years to prove his ability, or be shown the door. I'd even say if we have a complete meltdown this year, and there are no major injuries, then three years was enough. But I'm staying fairly silent on this until the end of the year.

you know , you are probably right about this.

I am going to shut up about it also and see what happens.

Not too hopeful but you never know

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

If you are willing to allow him 4 years to show us something, why are you so vocal about it this year? Many of the posters are saying this same thing, but sound like they can't wait to see him gone. I'm with you on this same point - a coach should be given around 4 years to prove his ability, or be shown the door. I'd even say if we have a complete meltdown this year, and there are no major injuries, then three years was enough. But I'm staying fairly silent on this until the end of the year.

Because it's just so damn frustrating watching this team underperform yet again . . .

[coachdon]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The program is losing the casual fan. By casual fan I mean those that are not alums of UNI. Like me. I started paying some attention to UNI basketball during the Weaver years. It was kinda like watching a train wreck. Then Greg took over and made UNI basketball competitive and exciting again. You had the feeling that with the right stewardship the Panthers could possibly become a midwestern version of Gonzaga. It was an exciting time. Now, that has pretty much all dissipated. I have 2 kids in high school and we went to some games the last few years but I'm not driving 5 hours round trip to be disappointed. The talent is there to be better. The only other ingredient is coaching and that is sorely lacking.

[jordana33]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Does it bother anyone else that way too many people on this board are starting to sound like whiny Iowa fans? If not I apologize, maybe I'm just cranky today. Let's see where things shake out this season before the get rid of Jake stuff should hold any weight with anyone. I'm as disappointed too but, give it somemore time.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I wish more people understood that it is when a team needs a lift that the fans can play a key role. Those who attended Sundays game were awesome. Frustrated in the first half, but VERY supportive in the 2nd and 2 OT's. They made a difference. However, getting behind a team is not a game by game proposition IMO. I don't care if it's basketball, football, or smerfball---fan participation matters. On the other hand, some decide to take the "I paid $$$$$$$$ for these tickets----damn it----entertain me" approach. I guess it all depends on your motivation. I see many of the same faces at each and every game and they have been there for years. They are there for the long haul. They get frustrated with the losses too. But they are there, cheering on their Panthers and trying their level best to support the team. Good for them. And when the team turns the corner and makes the big dance----those hard core fans will take some pride in the teams accomplishments knowing that as fans they did their part. Others will not only complain but they will take their $$$ elsewhere. That's O.K. too. But I suggest that those hardcore fans could not possibly care less about those who decide to walk. They know they'll be back when the "entertainment value" is high enough. It is what it is. I prefer the long haul approach, even when that haul gets pretty heavy.


PR

Thank you, PR.

There's a reason you are the "Voice". Well stated.