How do we get rid of Jake?

[Marc Wigim]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

No Marc...players win and lose games. Coaches manage the game and develop the players within their system as well as making sure that the players fulfill their academic responsibilities. The coach is the game manager...players win and lose games.

Since you don't get rid of players...coaches get way too much credit when they're winning (from the fans and media) and way too much grief when they're losing (from fans and media). A good coach will give credit to players when they're winning and take the heat when they're losing...but that still doesn't erase the fact that the players do the winning and losing. The coach manages the players.

Okay. I'll be quiet then. I figured this is what you were getting at.

Pay the peanut gallery no mind.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

It's the same gameplan, same scheme, same play calling. The difference is execution.

You're right, one of many differences between some of our wins and losses is "execution" but to assume that it is the ONLY difference, is a little naive.

Jacobson is not always "the same coach" in wins and losses. That's kind of silly actually. Sometimes Jacobson makes great coaching decisions and we lose. Sometimes Jacobson makes poor coaching decisions and we win. Sometimes it's vice versa. You make it sound as if all Jacobson has to do is come up with a gameplan, the same game plan win or lose, and the rest is simply up to fate. That's not the case.

Of course he's prepared and of course he comes out with well-thought out gameplans, but you need to understand that through the course of the game situations arise that fall outside of those gameplans and its his reaction to these situations that is open for interpretation. You either agree with what he does or you find fault in it and think it could've been approached differently. It's the same with ANY coach in ANY sport in the country.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I guess I'll be a little more simplified in saying that the biggest thing that is different right now from early in the year is the constant defensive intensity.

That has been unrelenting, with the exception of the first half against Indiana State.

Early in the year, it seemed that the players were allowing the inconsistencies on offense affect them on the defensive end. Rather than trying to generate easier offensive opportunities by ratcheting up the defense.

I know some people have complained about Jake always talking about defense when we have looked sluggish on offense, but that is the philosophy that has been established here. Defense fuels everything. It is the one area that players can absolutely control how they are playing-all the time. That effort has pumped up the intensity of the team as a whole, lead to some easier transition offense, which then creates a flow for the half-court offense to be effective.

[SteinPizza]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

If someone hasn't already done this, I'd like to point something out. There will be more bumps in the road ahead, it's inevitable. While this team may well have turned a corner, it doesn't mean everything is perfection from here on. You're still talking about a bunch of players seeing their first really significant minutes, with the exception of Adam Koch and Egelseder to an extent.

Put differently, give these guys a bit of a break if they stumble against some future opponent. I heard Jake mention that they instituted some changes to get everyone on the same page, and it seems to have worked. Like 2317 pointed out above, the other coaches in the league aren't idiots, and will pick out things we're doing in their scouts and take some away from us.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

No, no, no.

I too, am going to let you in on a little secret . . . the number of people on Panther Nation that have ever actually called for Jacobson to be "fired" is quite small.

Again, you're putting the words "fire the coach" and attaching them to people who have been critical of some of Jacobson's decisions, but never once called for him to be fired. Stop doing it.

An important point that too many people here don't understand.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Of course I don't think it's left up to fate. That's a sophomoric retort to my statement.

Then you shouldn't say things like "UNI isn't doing anything different. They're just winning." Even Jacobson has admitted to making changes to get players and staff more together.

My point is that a coach gets too much praise in victory and too much criticism in loss.

My other point is that coaches live and die by their philosophy on basketball. In general coaches are the same in victory and defeat. They hold true to their philosophy.

Also, always remember that when a coach is making a "brilliant" mvoe on his bench...the other coach is trying to do something to stop it.

The rest of this, I actually see what you mean. What you respond to Marc with was very well put. I agree with you on that.

However my biggest gripe, you've continued to conveniently ignore, is the fact that when someone "criticizes" something on this board, you interpret it almost immediately as "fire the coach". That's simply not the case and hasn't been yet this season.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The name of this thread is "How Do We Get Rid of Jake". That's a little stronger than criticism. Maybe you should start a "I'm Criticizing The Coach (but don't want him fired)" thread.

Come on 2317. The poster who started this thread has made 33 total posts on Panther Nation. That proves my point. The people calling for him to be "fired" is actually quite small.

Some of you grossly misinterpret any form of criticism as "the sky is falling" and "the coach should be fired".

And BTW, this thread wasn't started by me.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

The name of this thread is "How Do We Get Rid of Jake". That's a little stronger than criticism. Maybe you should start a "I'm Criticizing The Coach (but don't want him fired)" thread.

Look closer...it wasn't jman who named the thread.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Look closer...it wasn't jman who named the thread.

Ha . . . thanks.

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I'd like you to find where I said that jman started the thread. I didn't. I was saying that he has posted mulitple times in this thread supporting the premise. We'll call it guilt by association.

He hasn't asked for Jake to be fired.

[jman2004]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

I'd like you to find where I said that jman started the thread. I didn't. I was saying that he has posted mulitple times in this thread supporting the premise. We'll call it guilt by association.

Supporting the premise would be asking for him to be fired. I repeat . . . I haven't EVER asked for Jacobson to be fired. Seriously . . . what's your deal?

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Supporting the premise would be asking for him to be fired. I repeat . . . I haven't EVER asked for Jacobson to be fired. Seriously . . . what's your deal?

Are you new around here?

[UNI Prof]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

...I think a little heat from the fan base is a good thing....

Makes me wonder if any of you watch sports these days. a lot of the conversation on the sports shows is about which coach is on the hot seat or which player is underperforming ect. ect.. True we never want to make it personal but talking about games and plays is fine IMHO.

If it is good enough for ESPN it is good enough for me.

By the way Kurt Ferentz was on the hot seat at the beginning of the season according to ESPN.com he was one of three coaches most likely to be fired this year. Well they have now changed their mind...

I don't understand this at all. "Hey, everybody else is doing it. They may be complete idiots, but they're doing it and we should too!"

Honestly, it makes people seem pretty fickle and petty, if not uneducated.

[UNI Prof]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

Come on 2317. The poster who started this thread has made 33 total posts on Panther Nation. That proves my point. The people calling for him to be "fired" is actually quite small.

You're going to have to explain how that proves your point. The number of posts a person has somehow correlates to the number of people who agree with that poster?

[TH1974]

Re: How do we get rid of Jake?

You're going to have to explain how that proves your point. The number of posts a person has somehow correlates to the number of people who agree with that poster?

I think he's saying that the original poster isn't someone who's regularly posted here, and is not representative of people who do. If you want to disprove jman's point, count up how many posters here have actually called for Jake to be fired and report back.