Doug to Creighton

[TH1974]

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FYI - I think it's a stupid argument

Well, at least you got that part right.

[Newsbreaker]

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Really? You state in your arguments that college basketball is a multi-million dollar business. You also state that UNI's income will be impaired in direct corellation to the gain of Creighton. You have stated that without this player, UNI will lose possible future gain in post-season tournaments which carry their own prestige and additional income.

So when a company in direct competition obtains an "employee" with the intent of injuring your company, what recourse is there?

FYI - I think it's a stupid argument, but when you keep hammering the "it's a business and we should treat people that way" angle, here is your logical conclusion.

And you think all that adds up to a fan's right to sue?

(----insert missing rolling emoticon----)

[Coachdags]

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Dags, an honest question - what could Greg do that would not have you defending him?

I do not spite him or his son going to CU. If that floats their boat, fine. The issue I have is breaking off the stick in his "best friend". I can honestly say the following - if I was in the same position as Mac, with a son going to play for my best friend, here's what I would tell him:

First, honor your word to Jake. Play for him full tilt. If you really are set on playing for me, then you are going to sit for two years. That's life. Your no more special than any other college player. I might be able to be talked into one year, but I really doubt it. Honestly, I would be disappointed with my son for asking otherwise. Choices have consequences.

Being a coach is easier than being a Dad. Right now, he is publicly wrapping himself in the later, when he is really pursuing the first.

First of all you need to understand that Ben and Greg are not just friends, they are the closest of friends. This will be hard for a lot of you to swallow but almost everything Jake has he feels he owes in some part to Greg. Their relationship began at UND in 1989 and has been as close as two guys could ever be. UND, Wayne, NDSU, UNI, Camps, Vacations, Golf, Reunions, Talk everyday, you name it. Their Families, Friends all of us are in this same circle.

Jake has known Doug since birth, he was actually born when Ben was playing a game at UND that Greg was Coaching, Greg left during the Game (Tre was in Labor, had the Baby), and returned to the bench before the game was over to help guide UND to Victory. Ben is a Godfather to Greg's kids. Ben is going to honor what Doug has always wanted, to play for Greg. ISU was never a good fit for many obvious reasons.

You probably will never understand the loyalty, trust, and love these two Men have for each other. I also find it easy to defend either one of them. I have followed UNI since the days they used to be in the NCC with UND. You are kidding yourself if you think UNI would be in this position today without Mac coming back and bringing Ben along. They are both the epithomy of class, you should be thankful they are there.

My last point would be if you now trust the guy now leading your program, and he has no problem with it...? Why then should all of you....?

[96' Alum]

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First of all you need to understand that Ben and Greg are not just friends, they are the closest of friends. This will be hard for a lot of you to swallow but almost everything Jake has he feels he owes in some part to Greg. Their relationship began at UND in 1989 and has been as close as two guys could ever be. UND, Wayne, NDSU, UNI, Camps, Vacations, Golf, Reunions, Talk everyday, you name it. Their Families, Friends all of us are in this same circle.

Jake has know Doug since birth, he was actually born when Ben was playing a game at UND that Greg was Coaching, Greg left during the Game (Tre was in Labor, had the Baby), and returned to the bench before the game was over to help guide UND to Victory. Ben is also Dougie's Godfather. Ben is going to honor what Doug has always wanted, to play for Greg. ISU was never a good fit for many obvious reasons.

You probably will never understand the loyalty, trust, and love these two Men have for each other. I also find it easy to defend either one of them. I have followed UNI since the days they used to be in the NCC with UND. You are kidding yourself if you think UNI would be in this position today without Mac coming back and bringing Ben along. They are both the epithomy of class, you should be thankful they are there.

My last point would be if you now trust the guy now leading your program, and he has no problem with it...? Why then should all of you....?

Why was ISU a bad fit there Dags??? He is a top 150 player, and certainly could have competed in time in the Big 12.....Mac the destroyer certainly recruited lower ranked players in his time in Ames.

Why couldn't Dougie have played at Iowa State, hell Mac the choke artist let Palo from Ames walk on the team. Dougie should have gotten a scholarship.

BTW, way to play the "you should be grateful card" instead of answering the question.....But then, you never have been good at being candid now have you?

[Trapped in California]

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So - no answer to the question? Or is the answer "nothing"? Seriously.

I understand that Jake & Mac did the secret Fighting Sioux blood-brother handshake and all. I get it. I obviously have a different moral compass than Mac does. I would never, ever even conceive of doing such a thing to someone I even marginally consider a friend.

Honestly, Jake has displayed nothing but class since I have gotten to know about him. Obviously, he is a no win situation. What was he going to do other than acquiesce?

I have never stated that UNI have would have the success without Mac's help. Please don't lump me in with that wing of the universe. I appreciate that time, but I have seen his actions since, in the balance, remove much of the respect I had for him.

Personal responsibility for one's decisions is something that is all too lacking in this country. The McDermott family is the latest example of this, IMHO.

Spin away.

[jman2004]

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After taking a step back (and counting to 100), I can't say I blame Dannen and Jake for their stance. It's a tough position to be put in . . .

. . . but that's why I agree with Trapped. It takes a lot of balls to do something like that to a friend. McDermott has fallen quite a ways in my book.

[Panther789]

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After taking a step back (and counting to 100), I can't say I blame Dannen and Jake for their stance. It's a tough position to be put in . . .

. . . but that's why I agree with Trapped. It takes a lot of balls to do something like that to a friend. McDermott has fallen quite a ways in my book.

You completely ignore the fact that Doug has a brain of his own. If Doug wanted to follow Dad to CU, you are asking Mac to put his friend a head of his son.

[cubsfan62395]

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Am I missing something, or doesn't Doug have to be enrolled to be considered as a transfer. Doesn't this take sitting out 2 years out of play?

[UNI83]

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No read the thread

[pantherfan4ever]

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I am as frustrated as any Panther fan to see this happen, especially since we feel "hurt" that Greg has now impacted us twice. When he left for ISU, I didn't get upset. I was disapointed but most coaches start at smaller schools and when they have the opportunity to move to a power conference, they do. We aren't happy about it because we love our Panthers and feel like we have the potential to be as good as any of those schools. However, the reality is that money and power school recognition (and opportunity) talks and it is hard to get too upset with a guy for taking that opportunity. Most of us, if we are being honest with ourselves, would probably do the same if given the opportunity.

In regards to this current situation, as a father I have a really hard time getting too upset with Mac for thinking like a father and wanting to coach his son. And, that a son would want to play for his father.

Yes, Mac is a coach, but most of us (that have children) would dream of having our child grow up, play well enough to get a chance to play D-1, and then have a chance to coach our child. What a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

Is this totally fair to UNI? No, but life rarely is. When Doug signed with UNI, Mac didn't know he would have this opportunity. Now that he has it, it seems we expect him to simply say, "well Doug, you signed that letter, so you better honor it, even though we have always dreamed about this opportunity." Do we really expect him to say this and for Doug to stick with UNI even though he has probably dreamed of playing for his dad, his whole life? Maybe that answer is yes. If it is, I guess we just totally disagree, which is fine.

Even if you think that answer is yes, I don't understand how this is Mac showing that he has "poor morals." (not all are saying this, but for those that are). Sure, it make us upset and frustrated (because it hurts us). It is really poor timing (since it is April already), but as a father I would make the same decision and put family first. I am not sure how poor morals come into this situation at all. This isn't just about a player that wants to go play for a different coach/team.This is a SON and FATHER that want to play/coach together. I don't know if there was any discussion with coach Jake before all this went down, but regardless, I doubt this hurts their friendship. In 14 years, when Jake's son is being recruited, I am sure Jake would do the same thing as Greg and Doug.

With all this said, I do think it would be appropriate for UNI to enforce the 2 year wait-to-play. Just because I am not upset with Mac or Doug doesn't mean that I think we should just let Doug go to CU under special consideration. He should be forced to sit just like everyone else that would make the same decision to move schools within the MVC.

[Panther1979]

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What is the purpose of the 2 yr sit out rule?

[Mudrafan]

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to keep kids from transfering within the conference.

[96' Alum]

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I am as frustrated as any Panther fan to see this happen, especially since we feel "hurt" that Greg has now impacted us twice. When he left for ISU, I didn't get upset. I was disapointed but most coaches start at smaller schools and when they have the opportunity to move to a power conference, they do. We aren't happy about it because we love our Panthers and feel like we have the potential to be as good as any of those schools. However, the reality is that money and power school recognition (and opportunity) talks and it is hard to get too upset with a guy for taking that opportunity. Most of us, if we are being honest with ourselves, would probably do the same if given the opportunity.

In regards to this current situation, as a father I have a really hard time getting too upset with Mac for thinking like a father and wanting to coach his son. And, that a son would want to play for his father.

Yes, Mac is a coach, but most of us (that have children) would dream of having our child grow up, play well enough to get a chance to play D-1, and then have a chance to coach our child. What a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

Is this totally fair to UNI? No, but life rarely is. When Doug signed with UNI, Mac didn't know he would have this opportunity. Now that he has it, it seems we expect him to simply say, "well Doug, you signed that letter, so you better honor it, even though we have always dreamed about this opportunity." Do we really expect him to say this and for Doug to stick with UNI even though he has probably dreamed of playing for his dad, his whole life? Maybe that answer is yes. If it is, I guess we just totally disagree, which is fine.

Even if you think that answer is yes, I don't understand how this is Mac showing that he has "poor morals." (not all are saying this, but for those that are). Sure, it make us upset and frustrated (because it hurts us). It is really poor timing (since it is April already), but as a father I would make the same decision and put family first. I am not sure how poor morals come into this situation at all. This isn't just about a player that wants to go play for a different coach/team.This is a SON and FATHER that want to play/coach together. I don't know if there was any discussion with coach Jake before all this went down, but regardless, I doubt this hurts their friendship. In 14 years, when Jake's son is being recruited, I am sure Jake would do the same thing as Greg and Doug.

With all this said, I do think it would be appropriate for UNI to enforce the 2 year wait-to-play. Just because I am not upset with Mac or Doug doesn't mean that I think we should just let Doug go to CU under special consideration. He should be forced to sit just like everyone else that would make the same decision to move schools within the MVC.

Then he should have signed him to play for him at Iowa State.

I get why he did it. Mac is damaged goods right now. And to offer a top 150 recruit to a perspective employer may have helped him get the job. Plus it hurts another team in the league that they will have to compete with for the league championship, as well as in recruiting.

Creighton had a down year last year....Altman leaving is strange, either he feels that the Pacific Northwest is a good fit for him, or he might feel that he has peaked in Omaha.

They won 27 games two years ago and didn't get in the tourney.....Maybe that is what pushed him to leave.

The thing that is still incredible is that they would give Mac that contract....If (WHEN) he fails, the AD will be going with him.

[ubuntuCAT]

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I bet Mac really excels at Creighton. I just hope UNI can manage to keep their good times rolling.

[Panther1979]

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to keep kids from transfering within the conference.

But if this is not enforced what is the purpose?