Looking Forward

[not a drake fan]

The questions I have about the defense are below, and these are just questions, I don't have the answers or a PHD in basketball theory.

Why has UNI been so bad at defending the arc under Jake? 3 point defense ranking, starting this year, and going backward to 2007: 286, 190, 211, 163, 280, 276, 56, 66, 274, 218, 253, 318, 122, 218, 269, 261.

Why is UNI so GOOD at defensive rebounding? Histoirical ranking staring this year: 4, 6, 12, 12, 4, 136, 69, 28, 30, 24, 4, 10, 18, 15, 17, 6. But does being good at defensive rebouning really give you that much of a better chance to win? I mean Evansville was 6th in defensive rebounding this year.

With all this focus that you get with a packline defense on clogging the lane and preventing dribble penetration, does that negatively impact your ability to get out and defend the arc? Are we focusing too much on traditional principles in the game that hamper your abilities in other areas, like defending the 3?

Has UNIs defense changed, or has the game changed around it? Last time I brought this up, someone brought up Tony Bennett and Virginia as an counterexample, showing that no, the packline is still relevant and you can still play like that if you do it right. But how's that going for Virginia now? From 2012 to 2020, their average defensive efficiency was 5.7th in the country. But last year it fell to 36, and this year it fell to 59.

Iowa State, by the way, was 10th in 3 point defense this year. So if we are going to use them as an example of what can happen when you play "hard nosed defense," you at least have to regonize that they are doing something a little different, something that UNI has never done. Loyola was 42nd.

[06panther10]

The questions I have about the defense are below, and these are just questions, I don't have the answers or a PHD in basketball theory.

Why has UNI been so bad at defending the arc under Jake? 3 point defense ranking, starting this year, and going backward to 2007: 286, 190, 211, 163, 280, 276, 56, 66, 274, 218, 253, 318, 122, 218, 269, 261.

Why is UNI so GOOD at defensive rebounding? Histoirical ranking staring this year: 4, 6, 12, 12, 4, 136, 69, 28, 30, 24, 4, 10, 18, 15, 17, 6. But does being good at defensive rebouning really give you that much of a better chance to win? I mean Evansville was 6th in defensive rebounding this year.

With all this focus that you get with a packline defense on clogging the lane and preventing dribble penetration, does that negatively impact your ability to get out and defend the arc? Are we focusing too much on traditional principles in the game that hamper your abilities in other areas, like defending the 3?

Has UNIs defense changed, or has the game changed around it? Last time I brought this up, someone brought up Tony Bennett and Virginia as an counterexample, showing that no, the packline is still relevant and you can still play like that if you do it right. But how's that going for Virginia now? From 2012 to 2020, their average defensive efficiency was 5.7th in the country. But last year it fell to 36, and this year it fell to 59.

Iowa State, by the way, was 10th in 3 point defense this year. So if we are going to use them as an example of what can happen when you play "hard nosed defense," you at least have to regonize that they are doing something a little different, something that UNI has never done. Loyola was 42nd.

Defending the 3 pt line requires big athletic wings. If we could have 3-4 Jeremy Morgans or Isaiah Browns on the court at the same time we could be more aggressive defending the 3. Iowa State was able to play that way because of the players they have.

Our defensive philosophy is dictated by our recruiting and roster makeup as much as anything.

Do not allow penetration, heavy rotations, get all defensive rebounds, and do not allow fast breaks. It still works, its just very hard to play.

I dont think our defensive style has changed, the game has changed quite a bit the last 15 years. The rules are different, and teams are shooting many, many more 3s.

[orangetennis]

Agreed. Ty and Trea were solid defenders but they were not at the level of Isaiah and Jeremy. Additionally, a lack of a solid defender in the post led to more double downs, often from shorter, less quick guards, which left us susceptible to the open three.
Someone said this before and I believe it to be true, that coach Jake takes a while to adapt sometimes but he does eventually adapt. However, the last two seasons we have not had a level of quality defenders that we have had on some of our better teams. Hopefully Anderson turns into that dpoy level of defender. He's got the length and athleticism for it.

[sivert]

I think Wes gets underestimated. In 14-15, with Nate Buss (sr) Seth Tuttle (sr) and Jeremy Morgan (so) on the team, Wes led the team in blocked shots per minute played. Ok, I think Nate edged him but still.

[clenz]

imagine that. a college centered around educating educators allowing education students access to resources instead of letting the extracurricular athletics department hoard everything.
craziness!

To go back to this

https://twitter.com/coachdoty/status/1507450388378701827?s=21&t=ZzxHhA-yi1zSa6kT0WD7ow

The same was found after UNI made the S16. After App State beat Michigan. Etc


Athletics - specifically a high end basketball program at the MM level - is the key to a healthy university all the way around.

To maintain that kind of success and interest you need to do more than capture it once. You need to invest to make sure it keeps happening. Get the programs funding to make sure they are the class of the league they are in and allowing them to compete against that next level consistently every year.

[UNIChippewa]

To go back to this

https://twitter.com/coachdoty/status/1507450388378701827?s=21&t=ZzxHhA-yi1zSa6kT0WD7ow

The same was found after UNI made the S16. After App State beat Michigan. Etc


Athletics - specifically a high end basketball program at the MM level - is the key to a healthy university all the way around.

To maintain that kind of success and interest you need to do more than capture it once. You need to invest to make sure it keeps happening. Get the programs funding to make sure they are the class of the league they are in and allowing them to compete against that next level consistently every year.

I wonder why vbfan19 posts here in the first place sometimes. He or she seems to have a certain, if subtle, level of antipathy towards UNI athletics.

[BrockLesnar]

The questions I have about the defense are below, and these are just questions, I don't have the answers or a PHD in basketball theory.

Why has UNI been so bad at defending the arc under Jake? 3 point defense ranking, starting this year, and going backward to 2007: 286, 190, 211, 163, 280, 276, 56, 66, 274, 218, 253, 318, 122, 218, 269, 261.

Why is UNI so GOOD at defensive rebounding? Histoirical ranking staring this year: 4, 6, 12, 12, 4, 136, 69, 28, 30, 24, 4, 10, 18, 15, 17, 6. But does being good at defensive rebouning really give you that much of a better chance to win? I mean Evansville was 6th in defensive rebounding this year.

With all this focus that you get with a packline defense on clogging the lane and preventing dribble penetration, does that negatively impact your ability to get out and defend the arc? Are we focusing too much on traditional principles in the game that hamper your abilities in other areas, like defending the 3?

Has UNIs defense changed, or has the game changed around it? Last time I brought this up, someone brought up Tony Bennett and Virginia as an counterexample, showing that no, the packline is still relevant and you can still play like that if you do it right. But how's that going for Virginia now? From 2012 to 2020, their average defensive efficiency was 5.7th in the country. But last year it fell to 36, and this year it fell to 59.

Iowa State, by the way, was 10th in 3 point defense this year. So if we are going to use them as an example of what can happen when you play "hard nosed defense," you at least have to regonize that they are doing something a little different, something that UNI has never done. Loyola was 42nd.

Some of it has to do with packing it in hybrid like defense. Some of it is lack of quickness. Some of it is the commitment to defensive boards. We also make rotations to stop dribble penetration and have a long way to close back out to the 3 point line. There are various offensive screening actions that have to be fought through. So, the defender is late to closing out on the shooter. Some players are not good at slipping screens and would be also late on closeouts. I don't think those stats will change because the power 6 leagues get the quicker players before we do.

[QCPanther05]

Agreed. Even when Tuttle we here, we had great defense and I believe top 10 in the country offensive efficiency. We didn't run, we weren't going to put up 70+ a game consistently, but we were still really good offensively.

I should have clarified: when Tuttle came back as a coach. I think we had great defense when he was player. Some of these teams now have been successful in shutting down high powered offenses by slowing them down instead of turning it into a race. There seems to have been a deliberate shift away from that at some point.

[Username]

Born is never going to be great defensively, but Heise-Duax-Anderson seem like they have potential to be very versatile and switch proof wing defenders, we'll just have to see who we have anchoring the inside

[BrockLesnar]

Born is never going to be great defensively, but Heise-Duax-Anderson seem like they have potential to be very versatile and switch proof wing defenders, we'll just have to see who we have anchoring the inside

Born is going to have to become the man. He needs to run the show, now. He has to be more than a shooter. We're going to really struggle if he doesn't accept leadership. I think he will. Heise, a good defender. He needs to see the ball go in more. I think he'll get there. Anderson needs to be the man on the boards and develop his offensive game better. He just has not had enough time out there. I like his toughness, though. He has a good attitude. This starting over process will take time and patience. We're going to take plenty of lumps along the way. I think we're in for some tough luck. That comes with development.

[BrockLesnar]

Starters
Born
Heise
Anderson
Duax
Portal transfer

Wolf
Kimmons
Campbell
Portal transfer
Henry

Portal transfer
Betz
Courbat
Daniel
Krugman

Need 3 portal guys to get the full roster. I don't believe three in one season has happened before. Might have to go with two portal guys next season and carry over one scholarship to 23-24.

[CyCarp]

Starters
Born
Heise
Anderson
Duax
Portal transfer

Wolf
Kimmons
Campbell
Portal transfer
Henry

Portal transfer
Betz
Courbat
Daniel
Krugman

Need 3 portal guys to get the full roster. I don't believe three in one season has happened before.

Why do you have a portal transfer listed with the guys that don't play any minutes? I don't see how that would be a need.

[BCPanther]

Why do you have a portal transfer listed with the guys that don't play any minutes? I don't see how that would be a need.

I personally like how he's just assuming AJ and Phyfe are gone with absolutely no proof.

He also apparently forgets that Born and Heise will be in their 3rd year playing starters minutes and must think they're true freshmen off the street.

Gotta take our lumps though...

[DownGoesKansas]

Why do you have a portal transfer listed with the guys that don't play any minutes? I don't see how that would be a need.

You just dont understand. We really need a leader in that roster spot...

[DownGoesKansas]

I personally like how he's just assuming AJ and Phyfe are gone with absolutely no proof.

He also apparently forgets that Born and Heise will be in their 3rd year playing starters minutes and must think they're true freshmen off the street.

Gotta take our lumps though...

But how will Born ever get a shot off without AJ on the floor? That has never happened for a full season before that I can remember.... (Sarcasm)